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  • BillyCarpenter
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    Re: Kyocera General Question

    Originally posted by tsbservice
    Billy I will Google WorkFlow but what it's for? Sounds like useful Kyo tool but what it exactly does?

    Let me see how to explain this where it will make sense.

    The maintenance modes configured in the machine or a USB flash device as a workflow must be executed in succession

    Here's an example. When I replace an item(s), I insert the USB stick in the copier and select the item that I'm replacing. If I'm replacing the drum, I select the "replace drum" tab and it lists all the simulations that need to be ran. I must complete every step before going any further because it won't let me go any further.

    Make sense?
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    • BillyCarpenter
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      This may be a better example of work flow:




      SETUP U464/ U469/ U410/ U000/ U927/ U278

      WARRANTY U089/ U000


      MK-A U119/ U930/ U140*/ U469/ U127/ U464/ U469/ U412/ U464/

      U410/ U251

      MK-B U119/ U930/ U140*/ U164/ U469/ U412/ U464/ U410/ U251


      MK-C U167/ U464/ U469/ U410/ U251


      EH SETUP U411/ U034/ U246/ U211

      ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

      If I select any of the items to be replaced, it lists every simulation to needs to be ran and I must execute them in order and must do every last one or I can't move on to the next item that needs to be replaced. It also notes everything I did at the bottom of the maintenance report.

      It's pretty cool.
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      • BillyCarpenter
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        I don't know why I made this so complicated but I think I have it down now.


        This is a procedure shared with me for trouble-shooting background or low density prints on a Kyocera color machine.


        The first thing you do is print out the Maintenance Report.

        -Check U468/V-correction value. Example: V-correction value = 65412. Doesn't matter what the number is...you need to convert it to a binary number by using a scientific calculator. The binary number will look something like this: 1111 1111 1111 1110.
        Those are the last 16 calibrations made on the machine. You read the numbers from right to left. 1=pass. 0=fail. In this example, the last calibration failed.

        But why?

        You need to print out the Event Log for more detailed information.


        Additional information from event log. Event log will show the last 8 or so Service Codes. Look for the following:


        C7601 - front ID sensor error
        C7602 - rear ID sensor error
        C7611 - BK calibration error
        C7612 - CY calibration error
        C7613 - MG calibration error
        C7614 - YE calibration error
        C7620 - color registration failed
        (C76xx won`t shown on operation screen)

        Last thing you need to check is U465/Stress:
        From this number you can tell if the transfer belt needs to be changed. Every model has a different range and I have the range for a lot of the models but this number is not in the service manual.

        EDIT: This wasn't information that was shared with me, it's from the Service Manual: I would also suggest checking U155/Toner Sensor Output. If the value is below 100, replace the DV unit. That value is for a 3551ci. Your value may be different depending on the model. See your service manual.
        Last edited by BillyCarpenter; 01-13-2021, 06:32 PM.
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        • tsbservice
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          #49
          Re: Kyocera General Question

          Originally posted by BillyCarpenter
          Let me see how to explain this where it will make sense.

          The maintenance modes configured in the machine or a USB flash device as a workflow must be executed in succession

          Here's an example. When I replace an item(s), I insert the USB stick in the copier and select the item that I'm replacing. If I'm replacing the drum, I select the "replace drum" tab and it lists all the simulations that need to be ran. I must complete every step before going any further because it won't let me go any further.

          Make sense?
          I'm sorry for not replying in timely manner but family comes first. Yes that makes sense Billy, Thank you.
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          • BillyCarpenter
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            I just talked to the shipping company and my Kyocera color copiers should be delivered next Tuesday. These are the tests that I plan on running to verify the information that was shared with me. Although, at this point, I feel confident that the information is correct. Still, I need to verify.

            Here's what I'm gonna do.

            - Install a known worn Transfer Belt. I scuffed it up to make sure.

            - I drilled a hole (and resealed) in one of the color DV's and poured some developer out in order to verify some of these readings.

            - I'm gonna dirty up the ID's sensors and see what happens.

            I'm gonna introduce these problems one at a time.

            That's all I can think of for now.
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            • tsbservice
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              Originally posted by BillyCarpenter
              I just talked to the shipping company and my Kyocera color copiers should be delivered next Tuesday. These are the tests that I plan on running to verify the information that was shared with me. Although, at this point, I feel confident that the information was correct. Still, I need to verify.

              Here's what I'm gonna do.

              - Install a known worn Transfer Belt. I scuffed it up to make sure.

              - I drilled a hole (and resealed) in one of the color DV's and poured some developer out in order to verify some of these readings.

              - I'm gonna dirty up the ID's sensors and see what happens.

              I'm gonna introduce these problems one at a time.

              That's all I can think of for now.
              Billy you're crazy enthusiast man...ooo if I had colleague or two like you we can shoot for the stars
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              • BillyCarpenter
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                Originally posted by tsbservice
                Billy you're crazy enthusiast man...ooo if I had colleague or two like you we can shoot for the stars
                I've spent the past 2 months learning networking and the computer lab I set up proved to be invaluable. I'm pretty much done with that except for learning more for my own personal enjoyment.

                Now the copiers have my full attention and I'm setting up a copier lab similar to the computer lab.

                We can still shoot for the stars, bro. Right here on CT.net.
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                • tsbservice
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                  Originally posted by BillyCarpenter
                  I've spent the past 2 months learning networking and the computer lab I set up proved to be invaluable. I'm pretty much done with that except for learning more for my own personal enjoyment.

                  Now the copiers have my full attention and I'm setting up a copier lab similar to the computer lab.

                  We can still shoot for the stars, bro. Right here on CT.net.
                  So true in fact it is awesome to share and be encouraged by people you never met and being probably on opposite side of earth. There are only few things better than brotherhood though. Please go ahead mister "Wild Bill" and trash some stuff
                  A tree is known by its fruit, a man by his deeds. A good deed is never lost, he who sows courtesy, reaps friendship, and he who plants kindness gathers love.
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                  • BillyCarpenter
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                    Originally posted by tsbservice
                    So true in fact it is awesome to share and be encouraged by people you never met and being probably on opposite side of earth. There are only few things better than brotherhood though. Please go ahead mister "Wild Bill" and trash some stuff
                    We're only getting started.

                    On a serious note, I've learned so much on here. People have taken the time to teach me just about anything I've asked. This is a pretty special place, in my humble opinion.
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                    • tsbservice
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                      Originally posted by BillyCarpenter
                      We're only getting started.

                      On a serious note, I've learned so much on here. People have taken the time to teach me just about anything I've asked. This is a pretty special place, in my humble opinion.
                      True that. Lately I have been more here than in my second one prefered forum - Mazda forum(should mean something)
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                      • BillyCarpenter
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                        Re: Kyocera General Question

                        Still going over the manual with a fine tooth comb. I got to the part on the sensors in the machine. While you can toggle the sensors with your hand and see them change states on the screen, sometimes I like to see the sensors change states during actual operation with paper going thru

                        Fortunately, the manual gives the pinouts for the various sensors and the way I used to do this is use a logic probe that beeps every time the sensor goes from 5v to 0v..or whatever the voltage is on these. I use an alligator clip on the probe so that I can be in front of the machine and hear the logic probe beep at the back of the machine.



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                          I'm still going thru the 3551ci service manual. Actually I'm going thru each simulation one by one and I'm on U106 and have a question.

                          U106 deals with adjusting the voltage for secondary transfer for different types of paper. I really haven't had to deal with this because my customers are running plain paper but I know I'll have to deal with this eventually.

                          Here's my question. How much does it help when you change the the voltage for secondary transfer when a customer is running glossy paper or heavy cardstock?

                          From my experience in the past, fuser temp is always a big problem when running special paper. How does this machine perform when running these types of paper as far as fusing correctly?

                          PS - I'm assuming the transfer voltage for special types of paper only comes into play when the customer selects that type of paper and transfer voltage stays the same when plain paper is selected. Correct?
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                          • bsm2
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                            Transfer voltage and fuser speed is controlled by paper type.

                            This is not new basic copier knowledge

                            Gram weight of the paper used

                            The thicker the paper the slower the fuser speed and increase transfer voltage.

                            Wrong paper type is classic double imaging poor fusing.
                            Basic copier theory.

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                            • tsbservice
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                              Re: Kyocera General Question

                              Originally posted by bsm2
                              Transfer voltage and fuser speed is controlled by paper type.

                              This is not new basic copier knowledge

                              Gram weight of the paper used

                              The thicker the paper the slower the fuser speed and increase transfer voltage.

                              Wrong paper type is classic double imaging poor fusing.
                              Basic copier theory.
                              Speaking technically it's more paper transport speed than fuser speed.
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                              • blackcat4866
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                                Re: Kyocera General Question

                                Generally speaking the issue hasn't been transfer voltage, it's been fusing. And yes, selecting the correct media type works every time, if you can convince your enduser to do so.

                                Kyocera TA 3550ci Lower half of Color Copy Black not fusing

                                The best way to clear up the Media Type confusion is to rename the Custom Media types to match the actual gsm paper weight:

                                Kyocera TA 3550ci Lower half of Color Copy Black not fusing

                                Kyocera Ta 3501i New Fuser issue

                                I've never had to use U106.
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