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  • KyoServiceManager
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    • Oct 2017
    • 30

    #16
    Re: TaskAlfa 5002i, Background, stupid Endcustomer

    We do as BBM said. I always tell all of our customers to replace the toner in this order only: (1) Remove your waste toner bottle and sit it to the side, (2) remove your empty toner cartridge, flip it over, and place it in your waste toner reservoir, (3) now you may open your new toner and place it in the toner reservoir and close all the doors, (4) and then place your waste toner in the provided bag from the toner box. At that point they will either do one of 3 things: throw it away, hold it until we come by for service or toner delivery and we will pick up for recycling, or our larger businesses have their own Kyocera recycling box. I tell them to do it in this order so they don't accidentally mix up the old waste cartridge with the new toner as we had this happen in our early days of putting these models in the field. I found that the sales department was telling the end user to save the empty black cartridge to put in when the machine notified them the waste toner was full. It was a nightmare to correct, and we did charge the customer for the DV unit we had to replace. We also try to be sure there's a "Key Operator" at most locations who can maintain daily production activities.
    "If a cluttered desk is a sign of a cluttered mind, of what, then, is an empty desk a sign?" -Einstein

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    • BillyCarpenter
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      #17
      Re: TaskAlfa 5002i, Background, stupid Endcustomer

      I think my biggest concern is the customer running out of toner with no extra on hand and inserting the waste toner on purpose thinking this will work temporarily or otherwise.


      Anyone ever heard of Murphy's Law? "Anything that can go wrong will."

      I live by O'Malley's Law: "Murphy was an optimist."
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      • bronco31
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        • Aug 2009
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        #18
        Re: TaskAlfa 5002i, Background, stupid Endcustomer

        im still hazy on CASS.. so a new Kyo dev unit comes with carrier in it?

        Kyo is mono component... is toner premixed with developer right?

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        • KYO_OEM
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          • Aug 2011
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          #19
          Re: TaskAlfa 5002i, Background, stupid Endcustomer

          As i had written:
          i made a mistake regarding CASS on Iris series (e.g.5002i)
          Only at "old" and "never" Alphard range (5500i,8000i,5551i,8001i, 7551ci,5551ci,3551ci....) CASS would used.
          Mostly the DVs are filled with carrier and toner.
          (Iris, Alphard, Tomcat, Mercury, Zeus....)
          If not, you has to run U130 or you has to fill it by system menue/ service point.

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          • blackcat4866
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            • Jul 2007
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            #20
            Re: TaskAlfa 5002i, Background, stupid Endcustomer

            True. Most Kyocera MFPs are dual component now, including Iris.The last monocomponent MFP I'm aware of is KM-3010. Since then, only some printers are monocomponent. =^..^=
            If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
            1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
            2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
            3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
            4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
            5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

            blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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            • bronco31
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              #21
              Re: TaskAlfa 5002i, Background, stupid Endcustomer

              Originally posted by blackcat4866
              True. Most Kyocera MFPs are dual component now, including Iris.The last monocomponent MFP I'm aware of is KM-3010. Since then, only some printers are monocomponent. =^..^=
              wait ok BC.. again im lost...

              Dual component i thought meant separate toner and developer.... And Kyocera developer/carrier premixed inside the toner is mono component.

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              • blackcat4866
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                Re: TaskAlfa 5002i, Background, stupid Endcustomer

                Think of it this way: back in the day, when we changed Mita developer on the DC122/DC131, we would dump out the toner hopper, vacuum out any remaining toner, then dump the developer in the hopper. There was a push switch that would run the main motor, and you would hold that switch until it stopped adding the developer. Then you would dump the remaining developer from the hopper and measure one Mita scoop of the remaining new developer to "spike" the developer.

                Later on, towards the end of the 20K developer change cycle, you could "spike" the developer again to darken up your copies.

                This is just a really long winded way of saying that Kyocera has mixed in small amounts of developer to gradually "spike" the developer, continuously.
                If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
                1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
                2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
                3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
                4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
                5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

                blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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                • bronco31
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                  #23
                  Re: TaskAlfa 5002i, Background, stupid Endcustomer

                  whoa weird Mita! You vacuumed out the toner hopper and put developer in ? Then did you have put a new toner cartridge in?

                  I am used to Konica.. like a Bizhub601..at PM..But it'd be the dev unit that would be dumped/vacuumed out, new bag of developer put in dev unit, copy quality good again! (toner hopper left alone)
                  2 totally separate powders.. developer and toner.

                  sheesh. you'd think i'd understand the different copy processes by now..

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                  • BillyCarpenter
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                    #24
                    Re: TaskAlfa 5002i, Background, stupid Endcustomer

                    Originally posted by bronco31
                    whoa weird Mita! You vacuumed out the toner hopper and put developer in ? Then did you have put a new toner cartridge in?

                    I am used to Konica.. like a Bizhub601..at PM..But it'd be the dev unit that would be dumped/vacuumed out, new bag of developer put in dev unit, copy quality good again! (toner hopper left alone)
                    2 totally separate powders.. developer and toner.

                    sheesh. you'd think i'd understand the different copy processes by now..

                    That's the way most of old Mita's and Sharp's I serviced worked. The Mita DC-122 that blackcat is referring to must be quite old.
                    Adversity temporarily visits a strong man but stays with the weak for a lifetime.

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                    • blackcat4866
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                      #25
                      Re: TaskAlfa 5002i, Background, stupid Endcustomer

                      Originally posted by bronco31
                      whoa weird Mita! You vacuumed out the toner hopper and put developer in ? Then did you have put a new toner cartridge in?
                      On that series toner was poured in from a white bottle into an open hopper. You can just imagine the possibilities. Customers could pour almost anything in there ... with the expected results. They taught us to roll the bottle in your hand while pouring, so you got a slow steady flow of toner, and it didn't dump out in a single whoosh!

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                      Originally posted by BillyCarpenter
                      That's the way most of old Mita's and Sharp's I serviced worked. The Mita DC-122 that blackcat is referring to must be quite old.
                      That was 1984, but there were still quite a few around in 1989 when I started. =^..^=
                      If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
                      1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
                      2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
                      3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
                      4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
                      5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

                      blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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                      • BillyCarpenter
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                        #26
                        Re: TaskAlfa 5002i, Background, stupid Endcustomer

                        Originally posted by blackcat4866
                        On that series toner was poured in from a white bottle into an open hopper. You can just imagine the possibilities. Customers could pour almost anything in there ... with the expected results. They taught us to roll the bottle in your hand while pouring, so you got a slow steady flow of toner, and it didn't dump out in a single whoosh!

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                        That was 1984, but there were still quite a few around in 1989 when I started. =^..^=

                        I think the first Mita I worked on was the DC-3055. There were a couple of other old dinosaurs in the field but I don't remember the model.


                        I remember a Sharp machine that I was sent to work on and it had a toner hopper behind the front door that you had to pour the toner in. This particular toner hopper had a pivot point and was supposed to stop at about a 20-degree angle...only this one didn't stop and when I went to put toner in, every drop of toner went all of over the carpet in an attorney's office. The company I worked for had to hire a professional cleaning service. Not only did it get on the carpet, everything in the office had a good coating of black toner. I wanted to die.


                        I think the Sharp machine was the SF-8200 for those of you that remember them.
                        Adversity temporarily visits a strong man but stays with the weak for a lifetime.

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                        • KYO_OEM
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                          • Aug 2011
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                          #27
                          Re: TaskAlfa 5002i, Background, stupid Endcustomer

                          long long time ago, end of the 80th
                          Had nice problems at schools
                          A3 system DC2455 + A4 system from other brand.
                          1 system mono component toner bottles and 1 system dual component toner bottles.
                          if toner empty message appeared, very often the teachers used the wrong toner bottle and i had a lot of work to vaccuum everything inside from our DC2544...

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