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  • Samanator
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    6002i Scanning and copying shave some background thru ADF

    I have a 6002i that when scanning and copying thru the ADF, the images are have background. When copying or scanning off the glass, the images are fine. I have included samples.

    I deep cleaned the optics (even though I know that when digital optics get dirty, they generally go light). I checked U034; LSU Out Left, mostly to get an original with the center line on it for running thru the ADF. I noticed all the drawers were not centered. I always center the drawers before I let a machine go out into the field. All the drawers were off, not by a little, but quite a bit. I reentered all the drawers (including duplexing) .

    I then went to U072 to check the original center. When I made a test copy (using the centered print out from U034) the copy was not centered nor was there any background. I went thru the process of centering the the ADF (including duplexing).

    When I went got out service mode, scanning and copying thru the ADF was fine. I tested the machine, then had the customer test the machine. While the customer was scanning, the background came back when running documents thru the ADF, but not off the glass.

    I kicked the machine when the customer stepped away, but there was no change.

    Just for the hell of it, I updated the firmware. I say just for hell of it because the lasted firmware, as I understand it, only addresses some network vulnerability issues.

    I went back into U072 and made a test copy and it was clear. I changed the value by one digit and saved and tested it and the copy was still clear. Got out of service mode and made test copies and scans and they were clear.

    It was well after 5:00PM and the customer wanted to leave. I got a call from the customer this morning and the background has come back.

    The machine only uses OEM toner and it has just a little less 65K total on it.

    I don't think its the CCD or why would off the glass be fine? I don't think it's the ADF (DP-7110) mostly because its only pulling the document past the slit glass. I would hate that it would be the main PCB, but as I understand it these are the only three places that would affect the image on a scan or copy.

    Thanks in advance, guys. Any insights would be helpful.
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    Re: 6002i Scanning and copying shave some background thru ADF

    Originally posted by Samanator
    I have a 6002i that when scanning and copying thru the ADF, the images are have background. When copying or scanning off the glass, the images are fine. I have included samples.

    I deep cleaned the optics (even though I know that when digital optics get dirty, they generally go light). I checked U034; LSU Out Left, mostly to get an original with the center line on it for running thru the ADF. I noticed all the drawers were not centered. I always center the drawers before I let a machine go out into the field. All the drawers were off, not by a little, but quite a bit. I reentered all the drawers (including duplexing) .

    I then went to U072 to check the original center. When I made a test copy (using the centered print out from U034) the copy was not centered nor was there any background. I went thru the process of centering the the ADF (including duplexing).

    When I went got out service mode, scanning and copying thru the ADF was fine. I tested the machine, then had the customer test the machine. While the customer was scanning, the background came back when running documents thru the ADF, but not off the glass.

    I kicked the machine when the customer stepped away, but there was no change.

    Just for the hell of it, I updated the firmware. I say just for hell of it because the lasted firmware, as I understand it, only addresses some network vulnerability issues.

    I went back into U072 and made a test copy and it was clear. I changed the value by one digit and saved and tested it and the copy was still clear. Got out of service mode and made test copies and scans and they were clear.

    It was well after 5:00PM and the customer wanted to leave. I got a call from the customer this morning and the background has come back.

    The machine only uses OEM toner and it has just a little less 65K total on it.

    I don't think its the CCD or why would off the glass be fine? I don't think it's the ADF (DP-7110) mostly because its only pulling the document past the slit glass. I would hate that it would be the main PCB, but as I understand it these are the only three places that would affect the image on a scan or copy.

    Thanks in advance, guys. Any insights would be helpful.
    I've encountered something similar but my background was more severe.

    Background when scanning from DP but not from glass


    Solution: It was a bad ISC PWB (ISCPWB). I replaced and all is working.

    Edit: looking back through my notes, my background was colored. But it was only thru the ADF so it may be worth a try.
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    • CWP
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      • Jun 2013
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      Re: 6002i Scanning and copying shave some background thru ADF

      If you are saying that this sample is from a SINGLE sided original placed in the DP (Face up in the DP tray), then you may be able to adjust the DP scanning position through U068 to resolve the issue. I would make pretty extreme adjustments in both directions to see if you make the problem better or worse (+/- 10). If you are using the second side scanning of the DP (CIS) then you may have an issue with that as Billy states.

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      • copiertec
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        Re: 6002i Scanning and copying shave some background thru ADF

        Do you have the test charts for scanning adjustments and tried U411? I believe the ccd on the DF is only used for second side of the scan. Also make sure all the DF hinges are working good and are tight.

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        • toddanderson
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          Re: 6002i Scanning and copying shave some background thru ADF

          Loosen the scanner belt, the scanner bounces off home when it goes to Dp mode in QA Ref. No. 2ND-0163 (K112)






          Originally posted by Samanator
          I have a 6002i that when scanning and copying thru the ADF, the images are have background. When copying or scanning off the glass, the images are fine. I have included samples.

          I deep cleaned the optics (even though I know that when digital optics get dirty, they generally go light). I checked U034; LSU Out Left, mostly to get an original with the center line on it for running thru the ADF. I noticed all the drawers were not centered. I always center the drawers before I let a machine go out into the field. All the drawers were off, not by a little, but quite a bit. I reentered all the drawers (including duplexing) .

          I then went to U072 to check the original center. When I made a test copy (using the centered print out from U034) the copy was not centered nor was there any background. I went thru the process of centering the the ADF (including duplexing).

          When I went got out service mode, scanning and copying thru the ADF was fine. I tested the machine, then had the customer test the machine. While the customer was scanning, the background came back when running documents thru the ADF, but not off the glass.

          I kicked the machine when the customer stepped away, but there was no change.

          Just for the hell of it, I updated the firmware. I say just for hell of it because the lasted firmware, as I understand it, only addresses some network vulnerability issues.

          I went back into U072 and made a test copy and it was clear. I changed the value by one digit and saved and tested it and the copy was still clear. Got out of service mode and made test copies and scans and they were clear.

          It was well after 5:00PM and the customer wanted to leave. I got a call from the customer this morning and the background has come back.

          The machine only uses OEM toner and it has just a little less 65K total on it.

          I don't think its the CCD or why would off the glass be fine? I don't think it's the ADF (DP-7110) mostly because its only pulling the document past the slit glass. I would hate that it would be the main PCB, but as I understand it these are the only three places that would affect the image on a scan or copy.

          Thanks in advance, guys. Any insights would be helpful.

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          • justanotherhack
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            Re: 6002i Scanning and copying shave some background thru ADF

            We had a bunch of these with the drive belt for the scanner too tight, causing poor positioning of the scanner. Loosen the screws holding the motor and reposition for less tension on the belt. There's spring tension on it, you have to lever something on it before you tighten the screws again.

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            • Samanator
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              Re: 6002i Scanning and copying shave some background thru ADF

              Oh heck, that means the document feeder has got to come off to adjust that motor. Oh well, looks to be about 8 or 10 screw removal job. Thanks for the tip guys. I'll let you know how it turns out.

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              • Samanator
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                We will see today

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                • BillyCarpenter
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                  Re: 6002i Scanning and copying shave some background thru ADF

                  Any updates on this one? I'm curious.
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                  • Samanator
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                    Re: 6002i Scanning and copying shave some background thru ADF

                    As it turns out, loosening the screws on the mount for the scanner motor did the trick. I seem to remember that this was a problem with some of these machines long ago. Interesting that the problem seems to have resurfaced.

                    It has been a few days now and I just got off the phone with the customer. The machine has been working fine since I worked on it. No more background or shading on copys and prints.

                    I would like to thank toddanderson & justanotherhack for their information. That information got me right to the solution.

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