MPC 2003: new toner bottle, but half filled (?)

[luca72]

Re: MPC 2003: new toner bottle, but half filled (?)

I think the others have gone over everything but to sum up: The C2003-2503 toners are lower yield and weight than the C3004-3503 toners which are lower yield than the C4503-5503-6003 toners. Additionally I don't think any of the toner bottles are ever filled completely to their full volume, but since most of them are grey you can't really tell. The color ones, yellow especially are rather translucent though.

I believe the reason for this is that since the bottles feed from the horizontal if the level of toner in the bottle were to be higher than the feed port in the bottle the weight of the toner pushing down would try to force it out of the bottle instead of being fed out at a measured pace by the augurs inside the bottle itself. On top of that too much toner in the bottle might result in it compacting itself under it's own weight. This is very noticeable if you leave a bottle of 6110D toner standing on end for too long, it will cake up instead of flowing freely.

Based on the picture of the bottle you posted it looks about as full as any of the same bottles I have seen here in the US that we have gotten from Ricoh USA.

As to their color usage you might be able to find a coverage amount by color near the end of the 5990-4 report. You may find that they are using more yellow than cyan or magenta. At the end of the day the toner has to go somewhere, if it's not ending up in the waste bottle or in the guts of the machine it's probably going out fused onto the paper.

ohh ... thanks, I finally had the doubt: the toner ricoh sold in the United States contains the same amount of toner than those in Italy, in other countries, this was my doubt, because I saw another EDP code for my cartridge, my boss says that these are dirty marketing strategies that have done for many / as the cost of copying according to the other types (as supports), thanks all those who answered my question

[luca72]

Re: MPC 2003: new toner bottle, but half filled (?)

I've noticed the same thing with toner bottles here in the U.S. The 2003's are that way, but they weigh out to what they're supposed to be, same with the C305 toners (only about halfway filled). When they change out a yellow toner, is there still toner left in the bottle? (aside from the miniscule amount that usually remains). These 03 series machines have had issues with sub hopper augers getting mangled and not feeding in proper amount of toner, but I think you usually get an "add toner" condition.

hi, the cartridges when the customer changes them, they are really empty (I showed them) ... the problem was when I saw them so scarce from new, I became suspicious

[sturmtrooper]

Re: MPC 2003: new toner bottle, but half filled (?)

ohh ... thanks, I finally had the doubt: the toner ricoh sold in the United States contains the same amount of toner than those in Italy, in other countries, this was my doubt, because I saw another EDP code for my cartridge, my boss says that these are dirty marketing strategies that have done for many / as the cost of copying according to the other types (as supports), thanks all those who answered my question

The different EDP codes are because the toner for the US is likely produced in different factories than toner for Japan and Europe. I know this is the case for the Type 28 developer. It is made in two different locations based on final destination and therefore has different part number for inventory purposes.

Toner type C2503 yellow contains 126g according to the box on our shelf. Which is likely the same as what yours contains.

[copier tech]

[sturmtrooper]

Re: MPC 2003: new toner bottle, but half filled (?)

IT's something like "toner low, check spare" then "toner low, prepare spare" Then "GIMME TONER"

[slimslob]

Re: MPC 2003: new toner bottle, but half filled (?)

From reading this thread it appears that your bosses do not share product releases with you. In the XX03 product line there are different product codes and yields for toner depending model speed.
Information from the product support guide. Order numbers are for yellow. Yields are for all 3 colors.
Model speed_____20/25 _____ 30/35 ____ 45/55/63
Order Code__841919_841922__841814_____841850
Expected Yield 9500 _ 5500___ 18000 _____ 22,500

[luca72]

Re: MPC 2003: new toner bottle, but half filled (?)

From reading this thread it appears that your bosses do not share product releases with you. In the XX03 product line there are different product codes and yields for toner depending model speed.
Information from the product support guide. Order numbers are for yellow. Yields are for all 3 colors.
Model speed_____20/25 _____ 30/35 ____ 45/55/63
Order Code__841919_841922__841814_____841850
Expected Yield 9500 _ 5500___ 18000 _____ 22,500

hello slimslob, thanks to you for answering, from what you write I seem to have understood that probably the cartridges of mpc4503 [438g !!] (which we have not around this model) can be put in mpc2003 [238g] (? ), now I will try to ask another friend of our dealer near here if he tries this experiment .... the aim is to reduce deliveries and waste of diesel fuel and time

[sturmtrooper]

Re: MPC 2003: new toner bottle, but half filled (?)

hello slimslob, thanks to you for answering, from what you write I seem to have understood that probably the cartridges of mpc4503 [438g !!] (which we have not around this model) can be put in mpc2003 [238g] (? ), now I will try to ask another friend of our dealer near here if he tries this experiment .... the aim is to reduce deliveries and waste of diesel fuel and time

The toners for the larger machines will not fit in the smaller ones. However the smaller toners will fit in the larger machines, at least I know C2503 toner will fit in a C3004

[fshead]

Re: MPC 2003: new toner bottle, but half filled (?)

hey does that 2 settings follow thru on the MPC300 series too?

[copyaction]

Re: MPC 2003: new toner bottle, but half filled (?)

The toners for the larger machines will not fit in the smaller ones. However the smaller toners will fit in the larger machines, at least I know C2503 toner will fit in a C3004

I did not know that.
will the MPC2503 toner fit into the MPC3003?

[sturmtrooper]

Re: MPC 2003: new toner bottle, but half filled (?)

I did not know that.
will the MPC2503 toner fit into the MPC3003?

Probably. The MPC3003 3004 and 3004ex all use the same toner which is type mpc3503. I think this is the same for the 20-25cpm machines and the 45/55/60cpm machines as well. IE C4503 C4504 and C4504ex all will take type C6003 toner.

I only found this out by accident though so I'm not postive. It's only really worthwhile to use the smaller toner in the bigger machine if you have no toner of the correct size though.

[Zeldaman]

Re: MPC 2003: new toner bottle, but half filled (?)

Hi there!
The toner of the 20/25er METIS is completly different, as is the developer. 30er - 60er METIS is the samematerial.
Greetings...

[luca72]

Re: MPC 2003: new toner bottle, but half filled (?) [SOLVED]

hi guys, I have a strange problem on the mpc2003, the customer consumes a yellow toner cartridge with high capacity every week, during the delivery of the toner the customer pointed out to me (I had never noticed) that the cartridge seems full for less than half, then I tried to weigh it with a precision scale, and the weight is correct (218g), I wanted to ask all of you if in your market the same cartridge is full ?, as I saw that in Italy the code is 841926 instead in the USA it would seem 841919, the toner cover does not interest me, I just wanted to understand if it is normal that a new original cartridge is full to less than half ...
what is the difference between 841926 and 841919 thanks ...... ps even the other colors are not full of toner up to the top

hello to everyone, after a test phase lasted a few months, I can gladly tell you that the problem was solved by replacing the whole yellow pcdu unit, which sucked the cartridges as if it were beer, the group still had far exceeded its estimated life, I usually change them if they make noise or print badly, or generate strange know problems, the yellow cartridges and waste toner bottle now fall into normal consumption, now if happen I know what action to take, I hope this feedback was useful I thank everyone who gave their suggestions again.

best regards

[Mark Bbb]

Re: MPC 2003: new toner bottle, but half filled (?)

The reason why there is much less toner in the bottel (compared with a mpc3003) could be to avoid toner get clogged.
When it get clogged white lines will appear due to "rocks" in the development unit.

[luca72]

Re: MPC 2003: new toner bottle, but half filled (?)

The reason why there is much less toner in the bottel (compared with a mpc3003) could be to avoid toner get clogged.
When it get clogged white lines will appear due to "rocks" in the development unit.

hello, at the beginning I thought it was the bottle with little toner the problem, because the yellow printed very well, but in the end it was the pcdu that some strange reason drank all the toner, in fact I noticed that the rear air filters were strangely much and only yellow ... however resolved, this is a problem that has cost a lot to the company, the mc are rented, and we buy and supply the toner ... which as you know has stratospheric prices