E-studio 650 density problem

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  • makaule
    Technician

    50+ Posts
    • Jan 2009
    • 74

    E-studio 650 density problem

    Everything was ok after replacing dev and OD, run about 50K copies, then sudden poor OD cleaning and lots of black spots on copies - it seemed like overtoning, cleaned everything, replaced OD cleaning blade and lowered 05-201. Inserted all units and copier asked me for toner. Toner tank was empty - inserted new one - black spots remained Performed 05-290 and other tests, checked all counters.. Black spots dissapeared, first copy is fine but all others becomes lighter and lighter.
  • emujo
    Field Supervisor

    2,500+ Posts
    • Jun 2009
    • 3009

    #2
    Originally posted by makaule
    Everything was ok after replacing dev and OD, run about 50K copies, then sudden poor OD cleaning and lots of black spots on copies - it seemed like overtoning, cleaned everything, replaced OD cleaning blade and lowered 05-201. Inserted all units and copier asked me for toner. Toner tank was empty - inserted new one - black spots remained Performed 05-290 and other tests, checked all counters.. Black spots dissapeared, first copy is fine but all others becomes lighter and lighter.
    Silly questions...did you reset drum count, and is the drum blade in the cleaning position, and is the erase lamp functioning? EMujo
    If you don't see your question answered in the forum, please don't think it's OK to PM me for a personal reply...I do not give out firmware and/or manuals.

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    • makaule
      Technician

      50+ Posts
      • Jan 2009
      • 74

      #3
      yes, everything is ok. Counters were resset. Drum cleaning is ok. Led array is fine. It seems that everyhing started when toner became empty.. I scanned 2 copies to show you example of what is going on.. Made black copies - as you see in 2 copy image becoms lighter, lighter.. Any more ideas ?
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      • ivovb
        Senior Tech

        500+ Posts
        • Apr 2008
        • 695

        #4
        Light copies in most cases for this model are connected with:
        1. Old developer. Change developer along with OD.
        2. Old transfer belt. Try to clean it but may be it is better idea to change it. You can stop copy under drum and check that image is ok on the drum.

        BR
        I'll never ask if I didn't check user manual, service manual, parts list, BSI/TNI/TAD... web, existing threads.

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        • makaule
          Technician

          50+ Posts
          • Jan 2009
          • 74

          #5
          Thanks.. But the problem is that: developer, drum, all fuser unit, and transfer belt, charger grid and wire ,were changed 50K ago, all counters were reset and everything was ok till today..

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          • ivovb
            Senior Tech

            500+ Posts
            • Apr 2008
            • 695

            #6
            Still check image on the drum if it is ok. This will show you if the problem is in transfer or not. Also there is a mod for rear terminal of main charger.

            BR
            I'll never ask if I didn't check user manual, service manual, parts list, BSI/TNI/TAD... web, existing threads.

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            • makaule
              Technician

              50+ Posts
              • Jan 2009
              • 74

              #7
              Thanks for good advice and refreshing my memory.. There's big chance that problem is in charging, remembered that few years ago had similar problem with e-45.. I'll check it tomorrow and'll write if it helped.

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              • toshibadale
                Trusted Tech

                100+ Posts
                • Apr 2007
                • 117

                #8
                650 CQ

                Also, check the glass above the drum unit. Many people do not know about this glass, and when it gets dirty, it shows up after a PM with lite copies.......

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                • ToshibaTech
                  Senior Tech

                  500+ Posts
                  • Apr 2007
                  • 580

                  #9
                  Yeah def. clean the slit glass and def. clean the IQC/SPC sensors on the rail that look down at the drum. And run 05-290 if you did not. Also I have seen problems with DV bias and build up on the mag rollers you can just scotch brite them. Hey make sure the auger in your toner hopper is not broke. If you hold it in your hand with the door open and run 03-102 toner should just pour out if not the auger is probably broke. It might get enough toner to keep running but run in a constant undertoned state or sometimes ask for toner.

                  If that doesn't work scan the test chart again in gray scale it's kinda hard to tell in 2bit.

                  HTH!
                  I will not give you service manuals or firmware.

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                  • emujo
                    Field Supervisor

                    2,500+ Posts
                    • Jun 2009
                    • 3009

                    #10
                    This is a little wierd, image quality looks like toner is not being added (or not enough) as copy process goes on. Your 1st image is quite dense, so we can eliminate optics and probably laser (I assume there are no laser codes). But you mention that the toner hopper is being emptied. Does the toner bottle intermittantly turn as a large run is being processed? Possibly, you have a problem with the patch sensor, patch is formed but sensor is not detecting enough density. Did you vaccuum the patch sensor? Is there any developer in the waste bottle? What happens if you print an internal test print (PCL Font list for example) after copy quality drops off, is the fill as bad on this print job? Are you seeing intervals where the machine just sits and runs with a please wait message? Let us know. EMujo
                    If you don't see your question answered in the forum, please don't think it's OK to PM me for a personal reply...I do not give out firmware and/or manuals.

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                    • Mr Spock
                      Vulcan Inventor of Death

                      1,000+ Posts
                      • Aug 2006
                      • 2064

                      #11
                      Check the developer drive gears and make sure everything is turning inside.
                      Then check the operation of the toner add section and the recycle hopper. If either is not turning or is plugged/broken this is what happens. If any of the gears are broken then this will also happen. Usually after 20-50 copies.
                      And Star Trek was just a tv show...yeah right!

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                      • tuanzwickau

                        #12
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                        check main charger.i think lose power

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                        • makaule
                          Technician

                          50+ Posts
                          • Jan 2009
                          • 74

                          #13
                          I can feel little of developer on paper no brokens gears or smth else, everything's turning smoothly. Inserted dev unit from toshiba that is working aside and everything is ok. What can be wrong ?

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                          • Guest

                            #14
                            Originally posted by makaule
                            I can feel little of developer on paper no brokens gears or smth else, everything's turning smoothly. Inserted dev unit from toshiba that is working aside and everything is ok. What can be wrong ?

                            Re Dev it bet that fix's it.
                            and fresh toner.

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                            • makaule
                              Technician

                              50+ Posts
                              • Jan 2009
                              • 74

                              #15
                              Developer is only ~80 K old.

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