Do you believe that Climate Change is real and caused by mankind?

[Copier Addict]

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I used to get angry at the cut and paste way of communicating. Especially by certain Canadians. Then I heard something on the radio last night that kind of put it all in perspective.

Canadians, unlike Americans, don't have a spelled out freedom of speech.

If you're caught in Canada saying something contrary to leftist beliefs, you can be arrested for hate speech. That is why SalesServiceGuy can't articulate any thought. Because Big Brother is on his back. No one there is ALLOWED to think.

LOL!!!! I truly hope you don't believe that. It would only go to prove you believe everything you read on your right wing websites. That would be quite sad.

[SalesServiceGuy]

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In Oregon:

72% of the population believe global warming is happening (+2% above the national average)
54% believe global warming is from human activities (+1% above the national average)
53% believe most scientists claims that global warming is happening (+4% above the national average)
71% trust climate scientists about global warming (+0% above the national average)

Yale Climate Opinion Maps - U.S. 2016 - Yale Program on Climate Change Communication

12 other survey questions are asked by Yale.

[theengel]

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And 98 % of Germans believed in the Nazi cause... who cares?

[theengel]

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LOL!!!! I truly hope you don't believe that. It would only go to prove you believe everything you read on your right wing websites. That would be quite sad.

https://medium.com/@KelemenCari/american-speaker-arrested-in-canada-for-smuggling-hate-speech-on-his-ipad-4aa9f0f28f2b

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/global-opinions/wp/2017/03/07/canadas-parliament-wants-to-fight-islamophobia-by-killing-free-speech/?utm_term=.70077dd8cfeb

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/breaking-canadian-motion-to-silence-critics-of-islam-passes-house-of-common

I remember hearing several years ago that Catholic priests were no longer allowed to preach against homosexuality. I didn't pay too much attention at the time. But apparently, this now extends to islam.

[Copier Addict]

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https://medium.com/@KelemenCari/amer...d-4aa9f0f28f2b

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/global-opinions/wp/2017/03/07/canadas-parliament-wants-to-fight-islamophobia-by-killing-free-speech/?utm_term=.70077dd8cfeb

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/breaking-canadian-motion-to-silence-critics-of-islam-passes-house-of-common

I remember hearing several years ago that Catholic priests were no longer allowed to preach against homosexuality. I didn't pay too much attention at the time. But apparently, this now extends to islam.

And just what does any of that have to do with talking about climate change?
Plus, you do realise a "motion" isn't a law. It is simply a suggestion and not enforceable.

[progoffice]

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Anytime the government can find a reason to control the behavior of its people they will. This is called power. While governments have the power to control people, people don't have the power to control the climate. However, if a government can make its people believe they can control the climate by giving up certain freedoms and handing them over to the government, they most certainly will. In the opinion of a big government, climate change will always be real in the name of control and more power (whether man made climate change is real or not). I've always wondered what caused the climate to change before man? The sun rises and sets everyday like clockwork. The seasons change consistently ever year. We can predict eclipses before they happen. We are in a world that was created by a creator, not by chance. To think we have control over the climate is like saying we can control the rotation of the earth.

[Coptech]

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50 years ago when I was in elementary school, Science taught us that the earth's orbit around the sun brought us closer to it. Back then, the worry was that eventually, the earth would get close enough to actually burn up. Common sense tells you that if this is indeed true, global warming has been in play since the beginning of time. Still, it must be something we are doing. Aerosol sprays...Freon...we may not know how we are doing it but it must be our fault!

[Copier Addict]

Re: Do you believe that Climate Change is real and caused by mankind?

50 years ago when I was in elementary school, Science taught us that the earth's orbit around the sun brought us closer to it. Back then, the worry was that eventually, the earth would get close enough to actually burn up. Common sense tells you that if this is indeed true, global warming has been in play since the beginning of time. Still, it must be something we are doing. Aerosol sprays...Freon...we may not know how we are doing it but it must be our fault!

Astronomers believe the distance between the earth and sun is actually increasing by about 15mm every year. Not enough to worry about but apparently measurable.

[Geo]

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A little something to think about...

Newsweek and others telling us about the upcoming ice age...

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/julia-seymour/2015/03/05/and-thats-way-it-was-1972-cronkite-warned-new-ice-age

Newsweek on the cooling world

All the science is settled (man is responsible for "climate change") folks are trying to mitigate this and other articles....But the fact remains...This was at that time the latest news.

[theengel]

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Astronomers believe the distance between the earth and sun is actually increasing by about 15mm every year. Not enough to worry about but apparently measurable.

If I understood right, the distance is calculable but not measurable.

If that were true, I wonder if we'd get far away enough from the sun to compensate for the growth when it reaches the red giant stage.

[Copier Addict]

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If I understood right, the distance is calculable but not measurable.

If that were true, I wonder if we'd get far away enough from the sun to compensate for the growth when it reaches the red giant stage.

If my math is correct, it would only be 7500km in 5 billion years. So, it likely won't save the earth.

[slimslob]

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If I understood right, the distance is calculable but not measurable.

If that were true, I wonder if we'd get far away enough from the sun to compensate for the growth when it reaches the red giant stage.

Mars is the closest planet to the sun that would not be enveloped by the sun when it becomes a red giant. Of course it would then be close enough to the red giant to become uninhabitable.

[slimslob]

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Astronomers believe the distance between the earth and sun is actually increasing by about 15mm every year. Not enough to worry about but apparently measurable.

I wonder if this is due to our orbital path slowly expanding or due to the shrinkage of the sun as it hydrogen is being slowly consumed by fusion into helium?

[gneebore]

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http://www.copytechnet.com/forums/re..._u_s__for.html
I probably would have supported these 'facts' verses 'myths', if this report had been updated since 2003, and the 'facts' had referenced a study or paper from any source that could be researched. None of the tabs, such as, 'about', 'home', etc. work, so it is difficult to verify claims of 'fact'.

I did find a newer source which is from 2013. The study however was concentrated on the northeast region of Pennsylvania to Maine. I do remember discussions on another bulletin board in dial up days about how the US has less forests in colonial days than now. Problem was the discussion then as now was not properly restricted to region of the current US that was part of the initial colonial areas. Which I did not do when I said there is more forest lands now than in colonial days.

Included below is a link to a report and a quoted portion of the report. If you do go and peruse the site and the referenced material it includes studies and historical records linked to and compiled from earlier reports and archeological studies.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3762820/

The following is a cut and paste from the above website.
The land use history of the northeastern United States is well documented but its ecological consequences remain poorly understood, especially at a regional scale [1]–[4]. For more than 10,000 years native people cleared modest areas along waterways and seasonal settlements and managed some upland areas through sporadic understory burning [5]. Even so, the region was overwhelmingly forested and chiefly governed by non-anthropogenic disturbances and successional dynamics until around 1650, when two centuries of logging and agricultural clearing were initiated that removed more than half of the forest cover and cut over almost all of the rest. Outside of the far north and rugged mountainous regions, the northeast became a predominantly humanized agrarian landscape. Forest cover reached its nadir in the mid nineteenth century, after whichagricultural expansion to the Midwest and eastern industrialization resulted in widespread farm abandonment, population concentration and, in turn, a century of natural reforestation and forest growth [6],[7]. The emerging forest supported new wood-based industries and natural processes including forest succession interrupted by damage from severe storms such as the powerful 1938

[gneebore]

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Here is a link that is interesting reading: No Data Manipulation at NOAA - FactCheck.org Please, read to the end; I am aware this was funded by a CBS former president.
Whether, you agree or not, 'facts' can be 'proved' one way or another.
So, what is the absolute, utilmate 'fact' that can be accepted by the 'deniers', and the 'scientists' that can be agreed on, so a resolution of what is needed to fix this problem?

Sorry but there are also "scientists" now that are in as you call them in the "deniers" camp. Like the report and discussion about cosmic rays actually causing global warming. And just so you know I do believe there is a natural cycle of cooling and warming. Not as extreme as the Al Gore cool aid drinkers with their doomsday predictions. You kind of have to accept some sort of cyclical warming/cooling if you refer to the Arctic ice cap being so shrunken in 1905 that a sailing vessel could complete a northwest passage like I have twice. And other archeological finds that have revealed evidence of Nordic explorers being exposed by a receding Greenland glacier. Yeah I remember a classmate in junior college history class read a report of early pre-Colombian visitors to North America.

Like others that reference any study funded by a political or commercial interest is bound to be slanted. So the report funded by the former head of CBS will be put into same category by me as "is man made pollution causing global warming" funded by petrochemical sources.