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  • bsm2
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    Re: Let the truth be known

    Trump Two Weeks Away From Claiming He Saw Biden Selling Drugs Outside the Washington Monument

    Trump Two Weeks Away From Claiming He Saw Biden Selling Drugs Outside the Washington Monument | Vanity Fair

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    • BillyCarpenter
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      Originally posted by Phil B.
      MY poor spelling?
      My bad, bro. I thought our resident Spelling Bee Champ posted that. I'm gonna delete it.
      Adversity temporarily visits a strong man but stays with the weak for a lifetime.

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      • Copier Addict
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        Originally posted by BillyCarpenter
        Ah, the spin doctor has arrived to inform us the "defunding" the police doesn't really mean "defunding" the police. And the protests aren't violent...they're MOSTLY peaceful.


        CNN isn't exactly unbiased but lets roll the dice and see what they say...what the hell.




        (CNN)There's a growing group of dissenters who believe Americans can survive without law enforcement as we know it. And Americans, those dissenters believe, may even be better off without it.

        The solution to police brutality and racial inequalities in policing is simple, supporters say: Just defund police.
        It's as straightforward as it sounds: Instead of funding a police department, a sizable chunk of a city's budget is invested in communities, especially marginalized ones where much of the policing occurs.
        The concept's been a murmur for years, particularly following the protests against police brutality in Ferguson, Missouri, though it seemed improbable in 2014.




        But it's becoming a shout. With the deaths of George Floyd and Breonna Taylor at the hands of police and nationwide protests demanding reform, Minneapolis officials announced their intent to defund and disband the city's police force altogether.
        Does defunding the police mean disbanding the police?


        That depends on whom you ask, said Philip McHarris, a doctoral candidate in sociology at Yale University and lead research and policy associate at the Community Resource Hub for Safety and Accountability.
        Some supporters of divestment want to reallocate some, but not all, funds away from police departments to social services and reduce their contact with the public to reduce the likelihood of police violence.
        Those seeking to disband police consider defunding an initial step toward creating an entirely different model of community-led public safety.
        The concept exists on a spectrum, and the two aren't dichotomous but interconnected. But both interpretations center on reimagining what public safety looks like -- shifting resources away from law enforcement toward community resources, he said.
        It also means dismantling the idea that police are "public stewards" meant to protect communities. Many Black Americans and other people of color don't feel protected by police, McHarris said.






        Why defund police?


        McHarris says divesting funds can begin the process of ending the culture of punishment in the criminal justice system. And it's one of the only options local governments haven't tried in their attempts to end deaths in police custody.
        Trainings and body cameras haven't brought about the change supporters want.
        McHarris grew up in a neighborhood where there were "real, discernible threats of gun violence," and he said he never thought to call the police -- that was for his own safety. Instead, he relied on neighbors who helped him navigate threats of danger.
        What if, he said, those people could provide the same support they showed him on a full-time basis?
        To explain why he supports the idea, Isaac Bryan, the director of UCLA's Black Policy Center, points to history: Law enforcement in the South began as slave patrol, a team of vigilantes hired to recapture escaped slaves. Then, when slavery was abolished, police enforced Jim Crow laws -- even the most minor infractions.
        And today, police disproportionately use force against black people, and black people are more likely to be arrested and sentenced.
        "That history is engrained in our law enforcement," Bryan said.
        https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/06/us/what-is-defund-police-trnd/index.html
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        We already know how good you are at deflecting. But, still, very good job.
        Okay, just to confirm what you already know. "Defunding" simply means to reallocate some of the billions spent on militarising police forces and spend it where it can actually help society, on prevention.

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        • Phil B.
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          Originally posted by bsm2
          Trump Two Weeks Away From Claiming He Saw Biden Selling Drugs Outside the Washington Monument

          Trump Two Weeks Away From Claiming He Saw Biden Selling Drugs Outside the Washington Monument | Vanity Fair
          more lies from the left....

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          • BillyCarpenter
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            Originally posted by copier addict
            We already know how good you are at deflecting. But, still, very good job.
            Okay, just to confirm what you already know. "Defunding" simply means to reallocate some of the billions spent on militarising police forces and spend it where it can actually help society, on prevention.
            This is a teachable moment for you. Listen up.

            1. I never said that defunding = disbanding the police. Got it? Good.

            2. There are places that are under democrat contral that do want to disband the police.

            3. Stop making shit up.

            Thank you.
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            • bsm2
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                Originally posted by BillyCarpenter
                This is a teachable moment for you. Listen up.

                1. I never said that defunding = disbanding the police. Got it? Good.

                2. There are places that are under democrat contral that do want to disband the police.

                3. Stop making shit up.

                Thank you.
                Lol. Please tell me what part of my post is made up?
                I am all for "teachable moments".
                Oh, by the way, your second sentence is made up shit.

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                • BillyCarpenter
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                  Originally posted by copier addict
                  Lol. Please tell me what part of my post is made up?
                  I am all for "teachable moments".
                  Oh, by the way, your second sentence is made up shit.

                  Once again you show that you're not educated on the issues that you're talking about and that you don't read.

                  The CNN article that I posed CLEARLY said this:

                  With the deaths of George Floyd and Breonna Taylor at the hands of police and nationwide protests demanding reform, Minneapolis officials announced their intent to defund and disband the city's police force altogether.

                  The first step to becoming more informed is admitting that you are wrong and going with the facts. The facts are clear.
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                  • Phil B.
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                    Minneapolis Council Moves To Defund Police, Establish 'Holistic' Public Safety Force

                    The Minneapolis City Council on Friday unanimously approved a proposal to eliminate the city's police department, marking the first step toward establishing a new "holistic" approach to public safety.
                    The move follows more than a month of national outrage and protests against police brutality in the wake of the killing of George Floyd, a Black man who died after an officer pressed his knee into his neck for more than eight minutes.

                    The police force, which is largely white and has long struggled to reflect the racial makeup of the city, has come under even greater scrutiny as public cries to defund the department have gained traction among elected officials.
                    "Young Black and brown people in the streets made this happen. Black organizers demanding abolition for generations made this happen," Miski Noor of Black Visions Collective said in a statement.
                    "Now, on this new terrain, Minneapolis can start practicing a new vision of safety that defends Black lives."
                    While Noor was critical of the shortcomings of the amendment passed Friday, she added, "We are closer than any time in history, and anywhere else in the country, to a safe, thriving city without police."

                    Under the proposed plan, the city would eliminate the existing police department and replace it with "a department of community safety and violence prevention, which will have responsibility for public safety services prioritizing a holistic, public health-oriented approach."
                    The department would be overseen by a director, nominated by the mayor and approved by the City Council. Only individuals with "non-law enforcement experience in community safety services, including but not limited to public health and/or restorative justice approaches," will be eligible to hold the post, according to the amendment.
                    Additionally, the city could keep a much smaller division of law enforcement in effect under the supervision of the department of community safety and violence prevention.
                    "We are going straight into the architecture of how safety is provided for in our community, and we're going straight into the heart of the foundations of that work," council member Alondra Cano said.
                    She added that "the council has been fielding ongoing calls from residents for accountability, systems change and community-led safety."

                    The counsel head is Keith Ellison's son. Ellison was the first black muslim to be elected to Congress.


                    In early 2006, the Minnesota State Campaign Finance and Public Disclosure Board[24]
                    • unreported campaign contributions
                    • discrepancies in cash balances, and
                    • misclassified disbursements, during his campaigns for the Minnesota House of Representatives.

                    In 2005 the board opened an investigation, and Ellison was subpoenaed and fined.[25][26] Ellison was repeatedly fined for late filings,[27] was sued twice by the Attorney General of Minnesota, and was warned about absent or incomplete disclosures.[20][28][29][30]

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                    • BillyCarpenter
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                      Originally posted by Phil B.
                      Minneapolis Council Moves To Defund Police, Establish 'Holistic' Public Safety Force


                      The Minneapolis City Council on Friday unanimously approved a proposal to eliminate the city's police department, marking the first step toward establishing a new "holistic" approach to public safety.
                      The move follows more than a month of national outrage and protests against police brutality in the wake of the killing of George Floyd, a Black man who died after an officer pressed his knee into his neck for more than eight minutes.

                      The police force, which is largely white and has long struggled to reflect the racial makeup of the city, has come under even greater scrutiny as public cries to defund the department have gained traction among elected officials.
                      "Young Black and brown people in the streets made this happen. Black organizers demanding abolition for generations made this happen," Miski Noor of Black Visions Collective said in a statement.
                      "Now, on this new terrain, Minneapolis can start practicing a new vision of safety that defends Black lives."
                      While Noor was critical of the shortcomings of the amendment passed Friday, she added, "We are closer than any time in history, and anywhere else in the country, to a safe, thriving city without police."

                      Under the proposed plan, the city would eliminate the existing police department and replace it with "a department of community safety and violence prevention, which will have responsibility for public safety services prioritizing a holistic, public health-oriented approach."
                      The department would be overseen by a director, nominated by the mayor and approved by the City Council. Only individuals with "non-law enforcement experience in community safety services, including but not limited to public health and/or restorative justice approaches," will be eligible to hold the post, according to the amendment.
                      Additionally, the city could keep a much smaller division of law enforcement in effect under the supervision of the department of community safety and violence prevention.
                      "We are going straight into the architecture of how safety is provided for in our community, and we're going straight into the heart of the foundations of that work," council member Alondra Cano said.
                      She added that "the council has been fielding ongoing calls from residents for accountability, systems change and community-led safety."

                      The counsel head is Keith Ellison's son. Ellison was the first black muslim to be elected to Congress.


                      In early 2006, the Minnesota State Campaign Finance and Public Disclosure Board[24]
                      • unreported campaign contributions
                      • discrepancies in cash balances, and
                      • misclassified disbursements, during his campaigns for the Minnesota House of Representatives.

                      In 2005 the board opened an investigation, and Ellison was subpoenaed and fined.[25][26] Ellison was repeatedly fined for late filings,[27] was sued twice by the Attorney General of Minnesota, and was warned about absent or incomplete disclosures.[20][28][29][30]
                      I don't know whether to laugh or cry, Phil.

                      Even Bill Maher thinks this is a disaster.
                      Adversity temporarily visits a strong man but stays with the weak for a lifetime.

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                      • Phil B.
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                        • Phil B.
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                          '''Defund the police:''' LA City Council moves forward with LAPD budget cuts - ABC7 Los Angeles

                          LOS ANGELES (KABC) -- Amid mounting calls to "defund the police," the Los Angeles City Council on Tuesday voted to study ways to slash the Los Angeles Police Department's budget by $100 million to $150 million.

                          The council voted 11-3 with Councilmen Paul Koretz, Joe Buscaino and John Lee dissenting.

                          Although community activists presented their idea for more dramatic reductions in law enforcement spending, the city's Budget and Finance Committee sent the proposal to the full council.

                          Supporters of the People's Budget LA told council members Monday morning that Los Angeles needs to rethink its community policing policies.

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                            Originally posted by BillyCarpenter
                            Once again you show that you're not educated on the issues that you're talking about and that you don't read.

                            The CNN article that I posed CLEARLY said this:

                            With the deaths of George Floyd and Breonna Taylor at the hands of police and nationwide protests demanding reform, Minneapolis officials announced their intent to defund and disband the city's police force altogether.

                            The first step to becoming more informed is admitting that you are wrong and going with the facts. The facts are clear.
                            And replace it with "a department of community safety and violence prevention, which will have responsibility for public safety services prioritizing a holistic, public health-oriented approach."
                            Sounds a lot like what the police used to be before they became military units, don't ya think?

                            The first step to becoming more informed is admitting that you are wrong and going with the facts. The facts are clear.

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                            • BillyCarpenter
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                              Originally posted by copier addict
                              And replace it with "a department of community safety and violence prevention, which will have responsibility for public safety services prioritizing a holistic, public health-oriented approach."
                              Sounds a lot like what the police used to be before they became military units, don't ya think?

                              The first step to becoming more informed is admitting that you are wrong and going with the facts. The facts are clear.
                              Your spin doctor skills need work. You're quickly approaching bsm2 territory.
                              Adversity temporarily visits a strong man but stays with the weak for a lifetime.

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                              • bsm2
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                                Originally posted by BillyCarpenter
                                You're quickly approaching bsm2 territory.
                                Thanks for your support

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