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  • BillyCarpenter
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    #166
    Originally posted by Black Cloud

    No Problem for us. Canada is poised to outcompete the USA in world LNG exports. https://natural-resources.canada.ca/...ed-natural-gas
    By the way, Canadian liberals hate LNG. Or they did.


    Why Liquefied Natural Gas Expansion in Canada Is Not Worth the Risk

    Summary
    New liquefied natural gas (LNG) facilities will undermine Canada’s domestic and international climate commitments through increased upstream and midstream emissions and—more critically—by diverting scarce financial and clean energy resources toward fossil fuel production and away from more cost-efficient decarbonization efforts.
    The possibility of coal-to-LNG switching abroad should not be used to justify the inevitable increase in domestic emissions associated with expanding LNG production. While proponents argue that LNG exports will decrease global emissions by replacing coal consumption overseas, this climate benefit is uncertain and often overstated, in part because of LNG’s potential to crowd out investment in renewable energy.
    The economics for new LNG production are weakening, as demand is estimated to have already peaked in advanced economies such as Europe and South Korea; LNG demand growth in emerging Asian markets is also projected to slow.
    By the time Canadian LNG from most new facilities reaches markets near the end of the decade, global LNG supply is expected to have already outpaced demand, deflating global prices. As a result, Canadian LNG projects may struggle to compete with cheaper and incumbent producers—such as Qatar and the United States—without substantial public subsidies.
    To limit the risks to taxpayers, the economy, and the climate, Canadian governments should avoid issuing project approvals and export licences to new LNG projects while phasing out subsidies and other forms of public support for approved projects.
    Introduction
    Canada produces more natural gas than is necessary for domestic demand, with over 40% of production exported between January 2020 and July 2023. To support the expansion of export markets beyond the United States, there are several active projects and proposals to construct liquefaction facilities in Canada that would convert feedstock gas into liquefied natural gas (LNG) to be exported overseas. While some of Canada’s gas has recently been sold to operators of liquefaction terminals in the United States—indirectly expanding Canadian export markets—the proposed domestic terminals are intended to enable Canadian gas to be exported overseas directly.

    Following an analysis of the most recent evidence, however, this brief concludes that plans to produce LNG in Canada carry excessive economic and environmental risks. Most prominently, Canadian LNG from most new facilities is at risk of entering the market during a global glut in supply, hampering the potential for export investments to be profitable and ultimately leaving investors at risk of losses from stranded assets. Meanwhile, excess LNG on the global market threatens to drive down prices and undercut the expansion of renewables abroad. Moreover, a Canadian LNG industry will come at the cost of increased domestic emissions that threaten to undermine Canada’s climate obligations. Accordingly, Canadian governments should limit exposure to such risks by refraining from issuing new construction and export permits while phasing out subsidies and other forms of financial support currently allocated to LNG projects.

    Other countries are also beginning to acknowledge the risks of LNG expansion. Earlier this year, the Biden administration announced a pause on granting new LNG export licences to non-free trade agreement countries. The rationale was the need to better integrate economic and environmental risks into the approval process, following "an evolving understanding of the market need for LNG, the long-term supply of LNG, and the perilous impacts of methane on our planet." While this policy development in the United States will not directly affect Canadian producers, it does acknowledge the need to examine the overall costs and benefits of LNG expansion in a rapidly changing global market.

    Reconsidering Canadian LNG Projects
    Canada currently does not have any major LNG export facilities. However, eight projects are in various stages of consideration or construction, according to the federal government. Most of these are in British Columbia (BC), with one under consideration in Newfoundland and Labrador (see Table 1). West Coast LNG projects generally aim to supply Asian markets while the Newfoundland LNG projects would target sales to Europe. The largest and most advanced project is LNG Canada’s Phase 1, which is scheduled for completion in 2025. Woodfibre LNG, the only other project in Canada that has begun construction, is expected to be complete in 2027. Most other projects are scheduled for completion by or around 2030, though all are awaiting final investment decisions, environmental impact assessments, and/or export licences (Table 1). If approved, these pending LNG projects could have projected lifespans ranging from 20 to 60 years, depending on the project. As such, decisions on LNG expansion must be taken with a balanced view of their associated economic and environmental risks in the long term.​
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    • Black Cloud
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      #167
      [QUOTE=BillyCarpenter;n1607114]

      By the way, Canadian liberals hate LNG. Or they did.


      Why Liquefied Natural Gas Expansion in Canada Is Not Worth the Risk

      The times, they are a changin'. Prime Minister Mark Carney in his first day killed consumer carbon tax. The price of gas is going down. New projects are going ahead.
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        #168
        [QUOTE=Black Cloud;n1607116]
        Originally posted by BillyCarpenter

        By the way, Canadian liberals hate LNG. Or they did.


        Why Liquefied Natural Gas Expansion in Canada Is Not Worth the Risk

        The times, they are a changin'. Prime Minister Mark Carney in his first day killed consumer carbon tax. The price of gas is going down. New projects are going ahead.
        Uh huh. Another lie by Trudeau and the liberals. They told you that you will end up with more money via the carbon tax. Did you buy that? Yes or no. And when did liberals have a change of heart on the carbon tax? My best estimate is when Pierre starting winning. And when did Carney change his mind?
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        • bsm2
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          #169
          [QUOTE=BillyCarpenter;n1607117]
          Originally posted by Black Cloud

          Uh huh. Another lie by Trudeau and the liberals. They told you that you will end up with more money via the carbon tax. Did you buy that? Yes or no. And when did liberals have a change of heart on the carbon tax? My best estimate is when Pierre starting winning. And when did Carney change his mind?
          Hey how that trickled down theory working for you.

          Hilarious

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          • Black Cloud
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            #170
            [QUOTE=BillyCarpenter;n1607117]
            Originally posted by Black Cloud

            Uh huh. Another lie by Trudeau and the liberals. They told you that you will end up with more money via the carbon tax. Did you buy that? Yes or no. And when did liberals have a change of heart on the carbon tax? My best estimate is when Pierre starting winning. And when did Carney change his mind?
            Politians always lie. The rebate claimed to refund more than was spent, but in reality it hobbled our economy with compounding costs. Try to compete with other countries when your inputs, transportation costs and taxes are higher. Besides, when it comes to lies, Trump says hold my beer, watch this. He is tanking your economy and trying to take us down with you. Now, I actively make local purchases to keep my money in Canada. When what I need does not have a Canadian supplier I buy from Mexico and after that, anything that is not a product of the USA. At the grocery store Maple Leaf signs are now on the shelves to indicate Canadian products. Product of USA does not move. Yesterday all product of Canada speghetti sauce was sold out and all that was left was American. I will use my canned tomatoes and make my own sauce. It's a good thing we sent back all that bourbon. You're going to need it to get through the next four years.
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            • BillyCarpenter
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              #171
              [QUOTE=Black Cloud;n1607148]
              Originally posted by BillyCarpenter

              Politians always lie. The rebate claimed to refund more than was spent, but in reality it hobbled our economy with compounding costs. Try to compete with other countries when your inputs, transportation costs and taxes are higher. Besides, when it comes to lies, Trump says hold my beer, watch this. He is tanking your economy and trying to take us down with you. Now, I actively make local purchases to keep my money in Canada. When what I need does not have a Canadian supplier I buy from Mexico and after that, anything that is not a product of the USA. At the grocery store Maple Leaf signs are now on the shelves to indicate Canadian products. Product of USA does not move. Yesterday all product of Canada speghetti sauce was sold out and all that was left was American. I will use my canned tomatoes and make my own sauce. It's a good thing we sent back all that bourbon. You're going to need it to get through the next four years.
              So, Trump is tanking our economy, huh? We'll see about that. But what can't be disputed is that your liberal party completely destroyed your economy and you aren't even talking about it. You dollar lost 40% of its value. The number of Canadians standing in a food line hit an all time record. Canadians can't afford a home. It goes on and on.

              And you're gonna vote for another liberal. Good luck to you, brother.


              PS - I'm glad you have finally recognized that high tax and regulations are terrible for Canada when trying to compete against countries like the USA where taxes are super low and regulations are not a burden. What's your tax rate to do business and what is ours? Good luck on that, too.
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              • bsm2
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                #172
                Portugal just cancelled their F-35 order from the USA to get jets made in Europe. Canada should do the same.


                This will happen all around the world as businesses will bypass the USA as long as Adolf is in office

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                • bsm2
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                  #173
                  [QUOTE=BillyCarpenter;n1607153]
                  Originally posted by Black Cloud

                  So, Trump is tanking our economy, huh? We'll see about that. But what can't be disputed is that your liberal party completely destroyed your economy and you aren't even talking about it. You dollar lost 40% of its value. The number of Canadians standing in a food line hit an all time record. Canadians can't afford a home. It goes on and on.

                  And you're gonna vote for another liberal. Good luck to you, brother.


                  PS - I'm glad you have finally recognized that high tax and regulations are terrible for Canada when trying to compete against countries like the USA where taxes are super low and regulations are not a burden. What's your tax rate to do business and what is ours? Good luck on that, too.
                  Hey we only lost 5 Trillion dollars in the market this week !!!!!

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                  • Black Cloud
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                    #174
                    [QUOTE=BillyCarpenter;n1607153]
                    Originally posted by Black Cloud

                    So, Trump is tanking our economy, huh? We'll see about that. But what can't be disputed is that your liberal party completely destroyed your economy and you aren't even talking about it. You dollar lost 40% of its value. The number of Canadians standing in a food line hit an all time record. Canadians can't afford a home. It goes on and on.

                    And you're gonna vote for another liberal. Good luck to you, brother.


                    PS - I'm glad you have finally recognized that high tax and regulations are terrible for Canada when trying to compete against countries like the USA where taxes are super low and regulations are not a burden. What's your tax rate to do business and what is ours? Good luck on that, too.

                    Well.. We didn't have a housing bubble that crashed due to an irresponsible sub-prime mortgage crisis. Entire neighbourhoods of partially built homes stood abandoned. Families who's homes were worth a fraction of their mortgage value, walked away from their homes. I think we are going to be okay. Our Banking policies are better regulated.

                    Have you been to Detroit? Ghettos are an American thing. Do we have poverty? Yes. But like most things, America does it better.
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                      #175
                      [QUOTE=Black Cloud;n1607158]
                      Originally posted by BillyCarpenter


                      Well.. We didn't have a housing bubble that crashed due to an irresponsible sub-prime mortgage crisis. Entire neighbourhoods of partially built homes stood abandoned. Families who's homes were worth a fraction of their mortgage value, walked away from their homes. I think we are going to be okay. Our Banking policies are better regulated.

                      Have you been to Detroit? Ghettos are an American thing. Do we have poverty? Yes. But like most things, America does it better.
                      The housing bubble was caused by Barney Frank, a democrat, via Freedie Mac and Fannie Mae. They devised a scheme to approve mortgages to poor people who couldn't afford them.

                      By the way, those black "ghettos" you speak of have been used by democarts for 50 years and they're still poor after all the democrat promises. What happened?

                      By the way, you said Trudeau was bad and you didn't vote for him. List me the top 5 policies that you disagreed with. Ready? Go.
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                      • Copier Addict
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                        #176
                        [QUOTE=BillyCarpenter;n1607160]
                        Originally posted by Black Cloud

                        The housing bubble was caused by Barney Frank, a democrat, via Freedie Mac and Fannie Mae. They devised a scheme to approve mortgages to poor people who couldn't afford them.

                        By the way, those black "ghettos" you speak of have been used by democarts for 50 years and they're still poor after all the democrat promises. What happened?

                        By the way, you said Trudeau was bad and you didn't vote for him. List me the top 5 policies that you disagreed with. Ready? Go.
                        And who bailed out those banks? Yup, a republican. $700,000,000,000 for banks to spend on bonuses for the people who caused the housing collapse. And you voted for that.
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                        • bsm2
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                          #177
                          NATO countries are having second thoughts about buying America’s F-35 as the ‘predictability of our allies’ is doubted amid Trump’s seismic shifts

                          Congrats for killing thousands of American jobs as NATO will Boycott military contracts and buy from British France and Germany arms

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                            #178
                            Originally posted by bsm2
                            NATO countries are having second thoughts about buying America’s F-35 as the ‘predictability of our allies’ is doubted amid Trump’s seismic shifts

                            Congrats for killing thousands of American jobs as NATO will Boycott military contracts and buy from British France and Germany arms
                            Unfortunately, with the unpredictability of the trumpy regime, you can't rely on them to do business honestly.

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                            • Black Cloud
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                              #179
                              [QUOTE=BillyCarpenter;n1607160]
                              Originally posted by Black Cloud

                              The housing bubble was caused by Barney Frank, a democrat, via Freedie Mac and Fannie Mae. They devised a scheme to approve mortgages to poor people who couldn't afford them.

                              By the way, those black "ghettos" you speak of have been used by democarts for 50 years and they're still poor after all the democrat promises. What happened?

                              By the way, you said Trudeau was bad and you didn't vote for him. List me the top 5 policies that you disagreed with. Ready? Go.

                              Okay, There is a lot to unpack with my answer to your question. I didn't vote for Trudeau this term, I did vote for him in his first term. In Canada the Liberals givith and the Conservetives taketh away. To put this a different way the liberals run up the debt and the Conservetives are mean heartless bastards that cut till it hurts and cut again. I'm for responsible leadership with a heart. So because they are opposite ends of the spectrum, it is required to let the pendulium swing back and forth to get a sustainable government. Now substitute Democrat for Liberal and Republican for Consertive and you know how I feel about American Politics. I didn't like Carbon Tax. I believe the covid relief went over the top, but measures were needed. I thought the GST credit relief program every Canadian received was a cheap ploy to buy votes, but Chrystia Freeland opposed it and she resigned afted being demoted, causing a loss of confidence and subsquently his resignation. I don't actually have 5 policies that I disagree with. Pierre Poilievre was out on the front lines handing out water bottles to the Trucking protesters in Ottawa. He has a lot to say about how Trudeau screws things up, but has nothing to say about how he would run things differently. What do you have to say about your American political system? Inquiring minds want to know.
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                                #180
                                [QUOTE=Black Cloud;n1607212]
                                Originally posted by BillyCarpenter


                                Okay, There is a lot to unpack with my answer to your question. I didn't vote for Trudeau this term, I did vote for him in his first term. In Canada the Liberals givith and the Conservetives taketh away. To put this a different way the liberals run up the debt and the Conservetives are mean heartless bastards that cut till it hurts and cut again.

                                That basically sums up everything I think about liberals. In other words, they always have their hand out.

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