Gun Control

[slimslob]

Re: Gun Control

If punishment, capital or otherwise, was a deterrent to crime the prisons would not be as full as they are and there would be no one on death row.

The reason the prisons are crowded is because there is no punishment. Most prisons now are more like resort hotels. Let go back to the days of fifteen hour a day making gravel from boulders with a sledge hammer.

[Copier Addict]

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If punishment, capital or otherwise, was a deterrent to crime the prisons would not be as full as they are and there would be no one on death row.

[cccjjn]

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You want to get a handle on the violence that is out there start by dishing out harsh punishment to those caught committing violent acts.

[Akitu]

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Keep in mind here that I am talking specifically about cases where there is NO doubt as to the guilt of the person. Captured in the act or captured on camera committing the crime. There is no excuse to not have the death penalty for these individuals.

Other than the whole "being the most intelligent species on the planet" and the whole "right to live" thing we have going on with the UN...

[cccjjn]

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Keep in mind here that I am talking specifically about cases where there is NO doubt as to the guilt of the person. Captured in the act or captured on camera committing the crime. There is no excuse to not have the death penalty for these individuals.

[slimslob]

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Can we at least all agree that if someone is captured and convicted with no doubt committing a robbery or murder with a gun that they be immediately executed? I'm talking people captured in the act or caught on surveillance camera committing a violent crime with a gun where there is absolutely no doubt of their guilt. These people should be executed within a week of a speedy trial. Funny thing about gun grabbers is that in most all cases they are against the death penalty.

Sounds like the 19th century American west. After the judge brought his gavel down and pronounced "I sentence you to be hanged by the neck until dead", two think started. The appeals process and the construction of the gallows. When the construction finished, so did the appeals. The sentence was carried out the next morning.

[SalesServiceGuy]

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....it sounds like you and the Taliban think alike.

[cccjjn]

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Can we at least all agree that if someone is captured and convicted with no doubt committing a robbery or murder with a gun that they be immediately executed? I'm talking people captured in the act or caught on surveillance camera committing a violent crime with a gun where there is absolutely no doubt of their guilt. These people should be executed within a week of a speedy trial. Funny thing about gun grabbers is that in most all cases they are against the death penalty.

[Iowatech]

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My point was that a gun without a person is useless to prevent crime. However the sign I put in my front yard that reads "If you can read this sign, you have already been filmed" has made more than one shady looking car speed up and leave my cul de sac. Cameras work if you buy good ones and mount them at different levels and hide some of them.

As far as "pretending to be a criminal", when people are arrogant enough to think that they have all the answers from their perspective, that's when they screw up. Cops get their best intel from criminals and the military gets it's best from the enemy. When both sides make the same moves in chess, it becomes a stalemate and nobody wins.

Weirdest thing, intel. Good intel is extremely valuable, but it isn't always available when you have to make the big decisions and then live with the results no matter how hard everyone has tried.

[Coptech]

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These guys did not seem to be worried about the cameras.

I don't know the circumstances of this invasion and suspect there may have been criminal activity on both sides of this situation but it still shows that some criminals are determined enough that the video or presence of a homeowner is not a real concern for them.

I recall a "poetic justice" incident from years ago also. An old industrial business had been converted to a hobby shop with an indoor radio control race track. James had sectioned off an area for his store space and office. He paneled over some windows that had been "barred up". Thief take bolt cutters, cuts the bars over the windows, breaks glass, and kicks in paneling. He made it to about the middle of the store space before the alarm started wailing. He turned and made a dive back out the hole he had just created. By the looks of the blood running down the back of the building, he regretted leaving the spikes where he had cut the rebar. Police came and looked the scene over and later just had to arrest the guy in the emergency room with a bogus story about how he had "skewered himself" in an accident earlier that evening.

[MR Bill]

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Real early. Pain in my hip still giving me problems. Up all night.

Block watch neighborhoods are good. Watch out for everyone.

OK, here is a story from my younger days. I only lived about 10 minutes from work. Came home for lunch. Kicked my shoes off and looked down the hallway and some guy is running from my bedroom into the kid bedroom. I have this dumb thought. I wonder who that is. Split second later it hit me. Thief. So I know he is going to jump out the bedroom window and I run to the sliding back door. He is running along the fence looking for a place to jump over. Our back yard had a 6 foot hi chain link fence with the sharp points sticking up. So he jumps over this fence with me right behind him. ( I had good hips back then ) the neighbor yard has lots of overgrown blackberry bushes 4 feet high. He is trying to jump over them but I tackled him into them. Scratched the hell out of us plus the spikes at the top of the fence kinda ripped your hand up. Anyway hall this guy back to my house a call 911. Well before the cops show up he pulls this Buck knife out and flashes it at me. Then runs off. He got away. So I start doing my own detective work a few day later and talking to the guy at the mini mart about what happened and he told me this guy a block up the road has lots of scratches all over his arms and is moving today. So I pull up to this place and sure enought this guy that was in my house was backing up so I got lincence #. Police arrested him the next day at a pawn shop. He was a suspect in over 300 robberys in the last 4 months. He had just got out of Monroe state prison. So back to the pen he went. I,m just glad that it was not my wife that walked in on him. Glad he didn't,t stabb me. I guess we all make up our mind on subjects based on our experience. I guess that,s why I have a CCW anymore.

[fixthecopier]

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Maybe a good lesson learned there fixthecopier dude. The guys stealing from the neighbor might go home and see the bullet holes in there car and change there profession. I know I might be scared straight?

Good morning Mr. Bill, kind of early for the west coast.

Being shot at might scare them, or it might make them more careful, and the next good neighbor winds up getting shot. This is what really scares them. Monday evening my daughter noticed a blue Cruz slowing driving around, making several passes up and down the road. Tuesday after work, was at mother in laws, who lives about 100 yards down the road. She saw the same car that afternoon slowly going back and forth in front of her home. As she was getting ready to call the Sheriff, she saw the Sheriff suv coming down the road. The Cruz took off, the cop turned and went after him. It hasn't been back. Another neighbor had already called. Nosy neighbors and phones work really well.

[MR Bill]

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Maybe a good lesson learned there fixthecopier dude. The guys stealing from the neighbor might go home and see the bullet holes in there car and change there profession. I know I might be scared straight?

[fixthecopier]

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That's weird, if you were a the run of the mill criminal, wouldn't you find it more productive to commit your crimes in places where the absence of firearms was assured? Seems to me that would be the easiest way to avoid getting shot while committing your crimes.

About two days ago within 2 miles of my house a neighbor came out to confront a guy taking stuff out of his neighbors home. The neighbor had a gun, and put the man on the ground. Problem was the second guy in the house. Neighbor didn't think like a cop and clear the home. Now the second guy comes out, surprises the neighbor, and they have a gun. The bad guys got to their car and drove off with the neighbor shooting at then.


Neighbor's lack of training could have got him killed, or if he would have hit one of then in the back while they were fleeing, and killed them, he could have been charged with a crime.

That said, I will admit that I would also confront guys robbing my neighbors home. Nothing like a 12 gauge with bird shot to cover a wide area.

[fixthecopier]

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I took that exactly as you said it. If you wish to pretend that you are a criminal, you should expect stuff like this.

My point was that a gun without a person is useless to prevent crime. However the sign I put in my front yard that reads "If you can read this sign, you have already been filmed" has made more than one shady looking car speed up and leave my cul de sac. Cameras work if you buy good ones and mount them at different levels and hide some of them.

As far as "pretending to be a criminal", when people are arrogant enough to think that they have all the answers from their perspective, that's when they screw up. Cops get their best intel from criminals and the military gets it's best from the enemy. When both sides make the same moves in chess, it becomes a stalemate and nobody wins.