Gun Control

[SalesServiceGuy]

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If someone invents a mechanism that attaches to a gun, and it prevents the weapon from firing at a child, even if that's your target and you aim and shoot, would you support a federal law that requires this device to be built into all guns? Or do you consider that to be a violation of your freedom?

[MR Bill]

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Yes, sick people with sick minds alway find a way to kill.

Pot Pol?? The killing fields. How that for not having gun bans.

[Kidaver]

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Lunatics have been killing people since the dawn of man, how they have gone about it just changes.....

[Copier Addict]

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it isn't guns that kill people it's people that kill people

Lol. Same old tired reasoning.
Yes it is true that a gun doesn't kill someone on it's own, but, I have never heard of someone walking into a school or a mall or a movie theatre and open a a bag full of sporting equipment and start beating people with it. "OMG, he has a Sherwood hockey stick!!!!!! Everyone get down!!!"
Yes the debate may be dead, but, I'm sure we haven't seen the last tragedy where innocent people get killed by some lunatic.

[Kidaver]

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The point I'm making is it isn't guns that kill people it's people that kill people....maybe they should pass laws making bombs illegal...or at least limit the amount of ingredients in them....oh wait......

[MR Bill]

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Well the debate is not over but I thought this post had died.

I was reading a story today about a hiker up in Alaska who came across a Brown bear. The guy made some noise so he would not startle the bear. But the brown bear turned and charged him. The guy had a ASSULT rifle and fired at the charging bear. The bear stopped but then charged again. This guy shot more. 13 shots fired. He then called 911. The wardens found the bear dead. So you say you don't NEED a large cap clip. This guy would be dead and in the bears tummy if he didn't.

They overtuned the gun ban in Washington DC a few years ago. The guy that brought the suit had been walking with his wife and about 20 guys started following him, saying they were going to kill him and his wife. He turned and showed the 20 scum bags his pistol and they turned and left the area. So this guy wrighting this story is just wrong about a lot of people comeing into your house. That you would be dead anyway. NO you would not. Slimeballs breaking into your house will turn and run. WHO want's to be the first one shot? Volunteers anyone?

OK, I'm almost done. Another gun free zone. That works everytime doesn't it. Just make any place a gun free zone.
Look at the pictures of the mall in Kenya. 68 people DEAD. Very sad.

[rthonpm]

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This is a long thread and there are some good arguments and some reactionary ones. I don't have a dog in the fight: I don't own a gun, but I know how to use one and I don't begrudge anyone else the right to own a gun so long as they are legally able to do so. My issue with both sides of the gun debate, and really any debate based on a 'right' to do anything, is the level of responsibility that accompanies that right.

The US constitution gives Americans the right to bear arms, however there are certain responsibilities that come with that right. There are a huge number of gun owners who respect the fact that they possess a weapon, pure and simple that's what a gun is; but if you're going to apply for a CCW, shouldn't you have to demonstrate some degree of knowledge in terms of a weapon? Should there ever be an incident where a civilian with a concealed weapon is in a position to stop a criminal I'd want to know that the person actually knows what they're doing with a gun instead of just trying to be some kind of idiot cowboy. Plus, aren't the bulk of guns used in crimes are stolen from their legal owners because they're not properly secured?

I agree that there are too many gun laws, and lax enforcement of the ones already on the books; but I also agree that maybe the types of weapons available today is beyond what the average person would need. The NRA doesn't help with adding sense to the debate because they've been co-opted by money and power available by taking hard political stances, which then makes gun control less of a public safety issue and more of a liberal vs conservative issue. The NRA originally was a group for sportsmen and enthusiasts that focused on gun SAFETY, not a fully funded subsidiary of the Republican party. Where's the leadership for gun safety instead of the absolutism that we're left with where every piece of legislation on guns has to be fought tooth and nail?

I guess like everything else it touches, partisanship destroys any vestige of common sense...

So my two cents are: too many guns and far too many people irresponsible enough to manage them. Is it the government's job to stop all of the idiots? No, but if we're going to allow guns then let's find a way that we can all agree on to make sure we're pulling the skimmings out of the ownership pool.

[Copier Addict]

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That is always my biggest issue with this and many other liberal debates. They think and inanimate object is evil when it's the person with that object that makes that decision to act on good or evil intentions. Give an evil person a baseball bat in a roomful of children and see what happens.

But it is pretty tough to kill 26 people from long range in less than five minutes with a baseball bat, don't ya think?

[Kidaver]

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The debate will never be over...just pushed down the road to when it will be politically needed to divide people or to be used to take the attention away from some other debate and such....

This here

If someone invents a mechanism that attaches to a gun, and it prevents the weapon from firing at a child, even if that's your target and you aim and shoot, would you support a federal law that requires this device to be built into all guns? Or do you consider that to be a violation of your freedom?

My question: What if someone invented a device to attach to people that prevented them from doing evil things by pain or mind manipulation?

That is always my biggest issue with this and many other liberal debates. They think and inanimate object is evil when it's the person with that object that makes that decision to act on good or evil intentions. Give an evil person a baseball bat in a roomful of children and see what happens.

Also where are these military assault rifles that spray dozens of bullets in mere seconds...I sure didn't get one when I was in Iraq....didn't need anything that powerful either....good semi automatic M4 was a good enough rifle there for me....and to be honest there are some local convient stores here in town I wish I had my M4 when I go to them cuz those places are scarier than Iraq was.

[SalesServiceGuy]

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Because 'gun control' is dead.

Have You Heard the One About Gun Control? | Galanty Miller


The 'gun control' debate is over. It has been over for a long time.


Oh, there is still debate about whether or not the planet is 5,000 years old. That debate has been raging on for millions of years. But "whether or not we should have sensible gun regulation in the same way that we regulate every other dangerous thing that causes a lot of death" is no longer a contested issue. It's done. Whew. Honestly, in a way, it kind of feels good. It's a relief. The pressure is off. Now, when a maniac goes on a killing spree, we won't have to waste our time trying to solve the problem. Instead, we can use the time to respectfully mourn the deceased and then go back to playing fantasy football and eating Doritos.


Do you believe in sensible gun control laws? Well, you lost.


I don't mean to be sarcastic or snarky. I'm just telling it like it is. I'm realistic. The 'gun control' debate is over. I mean, yeah, you might hear a few liberal whispers here and there. And when the families of victims of gun violence speak out, it's kind of bad PR for politicians to not feign concern for a couple of days. But, generally speaking, the debate is over. The gun culture won. The hyper-violent video game Grand Theft Auto 5 made over a billion dollars in its first three days of release. That's a lot. But I bet the game would've made two billion if it could literally fire bullets.


The gun debate is dead.

Now let it rest in peace. Don't call for new laws. Congress ain't passing any new laws. Even the politicians who support some sort of weak gun regulation won't vote for any new laws. They don't want to lose their jobs. I don't blame them. Congressmen have the best job in the world; they get paid a lot of money, their staff does all their work, and they even have their own private subway system. Why blow it by voting your conscience, thinking rationally, or sexting porn stars?


The 'gun control' debate is done. It's over. And it's not the worst thing in the world. I mean, in all likelihood, you're probably not going to be shot and killed. Statistically, the percentages are in your favor. Besides, the debate had been getting dull. How many times can you listen to the same points being made, over and over and over? Booooring.


On a personal note...


Back when the 'gun control' debate was still a "thing," I had mixed feelings. On one hand, I do understand the feeling of safety that a gun provides. If I was alone in my house, at night, and I heard someone trying to break in through the window... honestly, I would want a gun in my hand. However, I wouldn't feel more protected if that gun was a military-style assault rifle that fires off dozens of rounds in a matter of seconds. The only time you would need a weapon like that is if your home is being invaded by a big group of people. And -- trust me on this one -- if your home is being invaded by a big group of people, then it doesn't matter what kind of gun you're holding; you're going to die. Haven't you seen the ending of Scarface? And I have good friends who love their big guns and they pontificate for hours about gun rights. And after awhile, some of their stupid bullsh*t almost makes some sense. (Incidentally, I went to the shooting range with one of my friends last winter. I wouldn't recommend it to anyone else. It was cold, noisy, and there was no snack bar.)



My point? Back in the day, when America was still discussing the issue of guns, I wasn't a raging anti-gun proponent. I was unbiased. I simply considered the logical need to regulate tools of war. And I was willing to discuss the possibility that our lax gun laws, along with a well-financed & politically-backed & profit-motivated industry, are what led to the millions of illegal guns circulating around the country... and this is what led to the gun-crazed nation that we have become... which then prevented any real gun legislation... which is why the issue is no longer an issue. Whew. It was all just so stressful. Glad it's over.


And make no mistake -- it's over. Seriously, have you heard any legitimate calls for new gun regulation lately? Yeah, after the recent Navy Yard shooting, California Senator Dianne Feinstein came out with a half-hearted gun control statement. But c'mon! She represents California, not America. California should concern itself with making better movies, not wasting our time with gun talk that not a single person thinks will ever lead to anything. I mean, did you see the Total Recall re-make with Colin Farrell? Ughh.


The gun violence debate is over. The gun people won. There is no point in beating a dead horse. Let's all get behind the reality we now live in; we're surrounded by millions and millions of guns and pretty much anyone can own any kind of gun -- and as many guns -- as they want. That's reality. Get used to it. There's nothing worse than a sore loser.


Senator Feinstein said, "Congress must stop shirking its responsibility and resume a thoughtful debate on gun violence in this country. We must do more to stop this endless loss of life." No we don't. We just need to get used to the endless loss of life. Or if you really want to do something, then let's design bullet-proof pants for kids to wear to school or spend more money on psychics who know when the next shooting is going to happen or whatever. But don't waste our time with Congress. Congress isn't going to do anything. Been there, done that.
And the extinction of the 'gun control' debate comes with other perks. For example, we no longer have to listen to annoying gun-rights advocates refer to the 2nd Amendment. A "well regulated militia"? What does that have to do with modern gun laws? Back when there was still a gun debate, I used to ask, "What if there was no 2nd Amendment? Would you then believe you don't have the right to own a gun? Why or why not? And do your reasons have anything to do with the 2nd Amendment?" But now, these questions are no longer relevant... because the 'gun control' debate is over... thank God. And, also, now that the discussion is a thing of the past, and nobody is taking away your guns, and everyone can just be honest, I can pose the following philosophical question to the President of the National Rifle Association and maybe I'll get a real answer...


If someone invents a mechanism that attaches to a gun, and it prevents the weapon from firing at a child, even if that's your target and you aim and shoot, would you support a federal law that requires this device to be built into all guns? Or do you consider that to be a violation of your freedom?



It's a philosophical question.


Meanwhile...
The discussion is over. It has been for a while. A political debate is only as valid as its possibilities. And sensible regulation in America is no longer a possibility. Oh well. It's time to move on to something else.

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[jbauer@abcvpr.com]

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Gun, bow, tomahawk whatever floats your boat. I prefer my Glock.

[HenryT2]

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SEE !!!!!!
Another reason to get a new bow or a crossbow .

[Shadow]

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