Gun Control

[MR Bill]

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Well, well, well, we havent heard from our buddy salesserviceguy. He posted most of the junk here. So I know whats going on with him. New Brunswick , Canada, armed nut job saleserviceguy killing 6 people so far. 12 gauge shotgun and a sniper rifle. Canada is such a peaceful country. How could this happen. Only crazy people from the U.S. kill with guns. Here is another one for you. Salesserviceguy back in 1986 kills 20 people and is put in prison , escapes and kills 7 more. His real name is Adam Legere. Serviving life in Prison in Montreal. He must have escaped again tho.I'm not going to Canada. To violent.

[CompyTech]

Because It's all about politics... Both sides of the isle, along with the media(certain ones)driving the fear.

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[KapeKopyTek]

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All while gun sales are surging! Ain't that curious, doesn't fit the narrative......

[fixthecopier]

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Gun homicides down dramatically, Americans unaware - KLTV.com-Tyler, Longview, Jacksonville, Texas | ETX News

As a firm believer in facts and figures, here are some...

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/files/2013/05/firearms_final_05-2013.pdf

[slybot]

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Laws vary from state to state, but here in Mississippi we have what's know as "The Castle Doctrine" In other words, a man's home is his castle - if some one has broken into your home, or is on your property threatening you, it's a pretty good bet they don't have your best interests in mind - shoot first and ask questions later. As a result, we have an extremely low incidence of home invasions and the like as compared to someplace like Chicago, which has the strictest gun regulations in the US and the highest murder rate in the world.

In your bar scenario, again the laws vary from state to state - some states prohibit carry in a bar. Other states have found anybody prone to abusing a CCW in that instance would fail a background check to begin with (Yes, we do background checks in the us, and I've been checked for every gun I've purchased - even at gun shows. The problem is many of the things (mental issues) that should disqualify a person are not put on their FBI record because of HIPAA and ObamaCare) Other states have "Gunsligner" laws where you're allowed to carry whatever weapon you choose, so long as it's out in the open and not concealed. The theory being that an armed society is a polite society - and that could not be more true. If you're dumb enough to pick a bar fight with somebody packing a revolver on his hip, maybe you don't need to be part of the food chain anyway.

Think about classic justice - bad buy thinks about stealing some old lady's purse - he may get caught, the DA may prosecute, he may get convicted, and he likely won't even get a slap on the wrist. Not a deterrent - but the same scenario where that old lady can easily get a CCW permit, and she may pull a .357 and blow the would be mugger's a$$ away. I offer in evidence:

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As for injured bystanders, time for a reality check - of the 2 groups of people who may be required to respond to criminal action with a firearm, Citizens and Police, one group has a national average wrongful shooting rate of 15%, the other group is somewhat less than 2% - who would you take guns away from? Your answer should have been the police, because they are the ones who pull the trigger in error seven and a half times more often than a citizen. Now, strictly comparing apples to apples, I would have to admit the police are put in more dangerous situations on a regular basis, and many of the citizen shootings are burglaries, so there's not much question if they should fire, but 750% is still quite a margin.

couldn't agree more shadow1. Going back to the post on the first page regarding Tassie and martin Bryant, if we were able to carry guns down here in OZ and Tassie then its most likely the martin Bryant would not even have killed half of the people that he did as his ar$e would have been taken out big time. I just wish all of these anti gun do-gooders would think logically. GUNS DON"T KILL PEOPLE! PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE! If I took my car (not that I would) and drove like a complete nutter and run a whole pile of people over and kill them. Would everyone carry on about banning the car?? No I don't think so.

Just my thoughts.

[SlipperyCat]

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People who don't believe in guns, or want them banned lack common sense. I pity them.

[HenryT2]

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[MR Bill]

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Phrag, you don't need to afraid. It is safe here. Very safe. Just stay out of some neighborhoods.

[CompyTech]

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Living in here in the south, I assumed almost everyone is armed. This day in age it's common sense to not knock on peoples doors unannounced anywhere not just here in the US. I never answer the door if I don't know you or know you're coming by. I own a shotgun myself so If any shenanigans are tried it will not be a good out come for the trespasser..

They just passed an open carry law here in MS, it wasn't illegal it was already on the books(we have some lacks gun laws anyways). But it was clarified. But I'm not stupid, I would not walk around with a pistol on my hip. You're asking for trouble if you do. I would not leave my gun out open in the car either (some people do that and it is legal here). I saw couple months ago some people just pull over the side of the road and start shooting out into an empty field, I'm thinking why waste the ammo its rare these days? lol

As far as gun control, and I'm not a fan of this Ice T guy, but I like his take on it

::throws a couple pennies in the bucket::

[fixthecopier]

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This happened this weekend, in a nice neighborhood in my town.


Murder-suicide leaves Fayetteville police searching for answers :: WRAL.com

Shooter was a vet with PTSD, from 3 combat tours, didn't know the victims. Kind of sums up why I would think twice about knocking on someones door to complain.

I also found a police report stating a girl listing her address as the home on the other side of me, busted with her boyfriend stealing from a farm in another county. I am thinking crackheads, and that is the other side of gun ownership. I want them to think I would shoot them.

[Phrag]

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This is where I start making decisions about guns. I am in the rear of a large yard, of a home with a big boat, four wheeler, an old shack of a garage and a beer bottle hear and there. These are rednecks, and probably proud of it. Odds are they have more guns than I do, and I am a stranger walking up through their back yard. I turn and walk back to my house.

We drive over to get the street address, the front has a fence and gate, with beer bottles on the ground and no sign of life. Without the gate, I would go to the front door. The gate tells me to keep out. We go home, my wife calls the sheriff again and gives the address. Still the music plays. When she gets up at 4:30 am to go to work, it still plays. When I go out at 6:00, it has stopped. I am relieved, as my wife is livid and threatening to take matters into her own hands.

That is the type of establishment I wouldn't confront even if it said please don't hesitate to knock. I'm a very cautious individual myself. In Australia, where I live, this isn't much of a problem, as firearms laws are quite strict, and they need to be locked up very securely, stored separate from their ammunition as well.

If I lived in America, I think I'd be permanently afraid of being shot for one reason or another.

I think we're quite lucky in Australia that gun crime doesn't SEEM to be as pronounced as it is in America, be it illegal acquisition, or turf wars, or random road rage incidents.

[Iowatech]

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Lol. Same old tired reasoning.
Yes it is true that a gun doesn't kill someone on it's own, but, I have never heard of someone walking into a school or a mall or a movie theatre and open a a bag full of sporting equipment and start beating people with it. "OMG, he has a Sherwood hockey stick!!!!!! Everyone get down!!!"
Yes the debate may be dead, but, I'm sure we haven't seen the last tragedy where innocent people get killed by some lunatic.

The reason you don't hear of that is because? No, honestly, why is that?

[fixthecopier]

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This article in Forbes list a dozen other countries that are considered more dangerous than America because of guns. Americans travel to all of them...unarmed. Maybe it's something in our attitude.


Worst Countries For Firearms Related Deaths - Forbes


Salesserviceguy, Although I am glad to see you back to revive a thread, again, what point are you going after. You seem to preach and I guess you expect us to see the folly of our ways and pledge to not use guns.

Not getting your ass shot in America is sometimes just a matter of using common sense. I see 3 types of gun owners here. The law abiding citizen who keeps one for protection. The law abiding citizen who has one because it makes him feel tough, and the criminal.

Here is a recent tale of two idiots...2 Concealed Carry Holders Kill Each Other In Road Rage Incident

And here is another...

NEWS: School Stops Soccer Game Because of a Man Openly Carrying His Gun....You may have a right to carry a gun, but common fucking sense tells you it doesn't belong in some places.

There are 2 handguns,2 rifles and a shotgun in my house. I am lightly armed by some standards.

This story happened last week and this week. I only tell it because it can illustrate how making the right decision can keep you from getting shot.


about 10 or 11 days ago, I think on a Wednesday, I started hearing the thumps from a stereo system. One turned up too loud, that you can't make out the song, but the beat or bass line is carrying. Not one of those car systems, but a house stereo. My wife could hear it over her tv and fan. The sound did not stop. It went on 24 hours a day and others in the neighborhood could hear it, but we could not tell where it came from. By Friday, we started calling the Sheriffs dept. They were little to no help, saying they couldn't find it. Wife called 5 times last weekend and they never found it. We have concluded that it is coming from a home in the neighborhood behind us, about 3 homes down. Our neighbor hood and the one behind us are ares that 15 years ago were rural, and the lots are large and people put there own homes on them. Not a planned cookie cutter house thing. The one behind us is a little run down and low end in some areas.
My wife and I rode around trying to find the source, but can not hear it anywhere from the streets. We get back home and I start walking through the small patch of woods on the other side of my next door neighbors home, and find the source. The music is coming from an old tin roof shack of a garage in the back yard of a home. I see no sign of life. Nobody is about, just music.

This is where I start making decisions about guns. I am in the rear of a large yard, of a home with a big boat, four wheeler, an old shack of a garage and a beer bottle hear and there. These are rednecks, and probably proud of it. Odds are they have more guns than I do, and I am a stranger walking up through their back yard. I turn and walk back to my house.

We drive over to get the street address, the front has a fence and gate, with beer bottles on the ground and no sign of life. Without the gate, I would go to the front door. The gate tells me to keep out. We go home, my wife calls the sheriff again and gives the address. Still the music plays. When she gets up at 4:30 am to go to work, it still plays. When I go out at 6:00, it has stopped. I am relieved, as my wife is livid and threatening to take matters into her own hands.

All week all is quiet. Friday I get home from work, it is playing even louder. Now I have an asshole neighbor and a pissed off wife to fuck up my Friday. I wit til dusk, then I call the sheriff. I get two cars within 15 minutes. I tell the whole story, and give specifics on where it comes from. They leave, I see a spotlight at the home 10 minutes later and the music stops.

In a regular neighborhood, I would not hesitate to knock on the door and ask them to turn it down, but haveing lived in the rural south most of my life, common sense told me not to. For all I knew, they could have been cooking meth in that building.

my point in telling this, is that I believe that one of the guys in the above news stories may have tried to solve the problem by flashing a gun and confronting the neighbor. This could have got him shot or arrested.

During one of my wife's calls to the sheriff, she was ask if guns were involved or had been mentioned, as this is quite common in disputes.

My other reason for telling this is that I have some time to kill before I go to moms and cut her grass, and I wanted to rant about the asshole neighbors.

[SalesServiceGuy]

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American gun use is out of control. Shouldn't the world intervene?

American gun use is out of control. Shouldn't the world intervene? | Henry Porter | Comment is free | The Observer

The death toll from firearms in the US suggests that the country is gripped by civil war

The annual toll from firearms in the US is running at 32,000 deaths and climbing, even though the general crime rate is on a downward path (it is 40% lower than in 1980). If this perennial slaughter doesn't qualify for intercession by the UN and all relevant NGOs, it is hard to know what does.

To absorb the scale of the mayhem, it's worth trying to guess the death toll of all the wars in American history since the War of Independence began in 1775, and follow that by estimating the number killed by firearms in the US since the day that Robert F. Kennedy was shot in 1968 by a .22 Iver-Johnson handgun, wielded by Sirhan Sirhan. The figures from Congressional Research Service, plus recent statistics from icasualties.org, tell us that from the first casualties in the battle of Lexington to recent operations in Afghanistan, the toll is 1,171,177. By contrast, the number killed by firearms, including suicides, since 1968, according to the Centres for Disease Control and Prevention and the FBI, is 1,384,171.
That 212,994 more Americans lost their lives from firearms in the last 45 years than in all wars involving the US is a staggering fact, particularly when you place it in the context of the safety-conscious, "secondary smoke" obsessions that characterise so much of American life.

One more figure. There have been fewer than 20 terror-related deaths on American soil since 9/11 and about 364,000 deaths caused by privately owned firearms. If any European nation had such a record and persisted in addressing only the first figure, while ignoring the second, you can bet your last pound that the State Department would be warning against travel to that country and no American would set foot in it without body armour.

[Phrag]

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If someone invents a mechanism that attaches to a gun, and it prevents the weapon from firing at a child, even if that's your target and you aim and shoot, would you support a federal law that requires this device to be built into all guns? Or do you consider that to be a violation of your freedom?

Hard criminals would start investing in child armies. It wouldn't surprise me.

I don't think guns should be banned outright. All that does is create a larger market for weapons smuggling.

I live in Australia, and although we have a significantly lower number of mass shootings, and a much smaller homicide rate per capita, I don't think we can really compare Australia and America. Both have very different cultures. Obviously American's love their fire-arms and will fight fiercely for their right to "bear arms."

However, in Australia we don't have that constitutional right, nor do I see as many people fighting for the right to bear assault weapons of varying degrees.

My only issue with Australia's gun laws is the difficulty in importing and purchasing markers for paintball, and the limit on what accessories can be attached. For instance, magazines can't be attached to markers that look similar to actual rifles, even if it only holds tools.

Nevertheless, I think with the crime that is present in America, I think it's fine to carry, or store certain firearms for self defence. In this day and age where Pizza gets to your door quicker than the police, you have to take safety and defence into your own hands.