indentured servants my ass.....

**Darren King** · 02-07-2013, 07:00 PM

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People seem to forget that The Bible, The Quran, etc were not written by an almighy, they were written be men with their own agendas. So, when religion says that women must cover themselve from head to toe, it is not a gods will, it is a mans will. When it says that it is ok to own slaves, it is because men wanted to own slaves. Not because it is good or moral.
Darren

**mrwho** · 02-07-2013, 07:06 PM

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Originally posted by Darren King

People seem to forget that The Bible, The Quran, etc were not written by an almighy, they were written be men with their own agendas. So, when religion says that women must cover themselve from head to toe, it is not a gods will, it is a mans will. When it says that it is ok to own slaves, it is because men wanted to own slaves. Not because it is good or moral.
Darren

Exactly my thoughts. Men who were slave owners often said that was their divine right to own them (usualy with kings, but not only). Then, on the other hand, men who wanted to be free also said that god wanted it that way. Independently of who was right or wrong, god is always given as a pretext to pull one's agenda forward. And since the bible is ridden with text wide open to interpretation, it's often quoted to support said agendas.

**DAG COPIERS & COMPUTERS** · 02-07-2013, 08:02 PM

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Originally posted by mrwho

Pretty shitty god, if you ask me.

Master: "Hey, I'll keep you as my slave, and beat you, humiliate you, make you work for me for free, enslave your brethren, but don't worry, in 200 or 300 years one of you will become president of me!"

Slave: "Hell yeah!"

I really like that post by Chameleon! Both Joseph & Moses, ( they were all slaves of the Egyptian pharaohs to begin with), became very very powerful men not only in Egypt, but their work had far reaching consequences in the History of humanity. Most country's laws, including that of your country USA is basically derived from ''the LAW of MOSES'' to the Israelites. You could say 'stolen' from the Bible.
- All good things in life don't come cheaply. There's usually alot of sacrifice involved. The descendants of the black slaves are now a potential force to reckon with in the history of America. No one can now turn the clock back. They have began to reap from the sweat of their fore fathers. More Black Presidents, Army Chiefs, Secretaries of states, Scientists are on their way up to the US power centers. Take it or Leave it!

**Chameleon** · 02-07-2013, 08:40 PM

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Originally posted by Darren King

they were written by men with their own agendas.

That may be true for some. But then there is verses like this referring to dead animals:"If any of them falls into any clay pot, everything in it becomes unclean; you must break it". Lev11:33. Things like germs would not be discovered by Louis Pasteur for another 5000 years when that was written.

**mrwho** · 02-07-2013, 09:05 PM

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Originally posted by Chameleon

That may be true for some. But then there is verses like this referring to dead animals:"If any of them falls into any clay pot, everything in it becomes unclean; you must break it". Lev11:33. Things like germs would not be discovered by Louis Pasteur for another 5000 years when that was written.

If you throw enough crap onto a wall, some of it will eventually stick. On the other hand, people knew that, somehow, people would get sick and die when in contact with carcasses - they surely didn't know why, but they knew the consequences. The discovery of germs gave finally the answer of why it did happen.

**MR Bill** · 02-07-2013, 09:16 PM

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Wait a minute mr fixthecopier guy.

I don't have any problem with people having tatoos. It's in combination of other dress that I would not hire someone. We were talking about inner city black kids at the time. Getto is what I would call it. I said pants down below their butt. Etc.

I saw a mexican kid with tottos all over . This was on T.V. awhile back. He was complaining about not being able to get a job. He had the words FUKK YOU on his forehead. Tell me. Would you hire him.? I think not. Ask your buddies that have a message for me ( middle finger I bet ) if they would.

Anyway, I have no problem with tats. Just don't get too wild with them. I think you and your buddies and I can agree on that. ? Right? Or do you have a tatoo on you forhead.?

As far as the subject of god goes. I'm staying out of that.

**fixthecopier** · 02-07-2013, 11:58 PM

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Originally posted by Chameleon

Thanks

I think you are confusing approval with tolerance. It is one thing to say "you should own slaves" and quite another to say "you may..." Yes the old testament had some crazy stuff, but then there is incredible stories about slaves like Joseph and Moses. I'm not sure if you are trying to paint Christians or Jews as pro slaves, which would kind of be like painting athiests as pro Hitler, so I won't go there. I'll just mention it was christians like William Wilberforce and Lincoln that abolished slavery.

He does: "There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus." Gal 3:28

You would think that Jesus and the New Testament would have a different view of slavery, but slavery is still approved of in the New Testament, as the following passages show.

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)

In the following parable, Jesus clearly approves of beating slaves even if they didn't know they were doing anything wrong.

The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given." (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)

**fixthecopier** · 02-08-2013, 12:38 AM

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Originally posted by MR Bill

Wait a minute mr fixthecopier guy.

I don't have any problem with people having tatoos. It's in combination of other dress that I would not hire someone. We were talking about inner city black kids at the time. Getto is what I would call it. I said pants down below their butt. Etc.

I saw a mexican kid with tottos all over . This was on T.V. awhile back. He was complaining about not being able to get a job. He had the words FUKK YOU on his forehead. Tell me. Would you hire him.? I think not. Ask your buddies that have a message for me ( middle finger I bet ) if they would.

Anyway, I have no problem with tats. Just don't get too wild with them. I think you and your buddies and I can agree on that. ? Right? Or do you have a tatoo on you forhead.?

As far as the subject of god goes. I'm staying out of that.

Dear Mr. Bill, Sorry to come off abrasive, but as I was standing in a room reading your comment out loud , but really to myself, the people next to me heard it and did make the gesture indicated toward my new phone. As far as adding how someone is dressed along with tats is still not cool. I know what you are referring to, but let me give an example...Last weekend when my oldest son came to visit, we went to the local flea market. As I was checking out some cool military machetes, after a few minutes I realized the redneck i had been hearing making comments about some scum looking gang member, I won't repeat the racist comments I heard, was talking about me. He could only see me from the back. I was dressed in, loose fitting jeans because I have lost some weight, i forgot to put on my belt and they were getting more loose as I walked around. I had on my new Nikes , which were bright blue. I was wearing a black ball cap with the crest for the JFK Special Warfare Training Center on it, as I wear every day. I had a black T-shirt with the 3rd Special Forces Group logo on it and a black hoodie, same one I wore to work today {shades of Travon Martin}, that has the symbol of S.E.R.E., the army's special warfare survival evasion , resistance and escape course, another of my customers. All of the military type clothes were given to me my those units and are commonly worn by active duty soldiers. the wind was blowing so I had the hood pulled up over the cap. From the rear, all the redneck could see was my loose fitting black clothing, i also had black military gloves. As i turned around and the big fat man, looking like any stereotype of a big country redneck, with a cigar hanging out of one side of his mouth and his handgun strapped to his tiny waist that was holding up a massive belly, looked me in the face and saw all of the military emblems on my clothes, he looked shocked at first. Then all he could think to ask was "Why is someone like you dressed like a nigger?" My reply was "Go Fuck Yourself Fatman", and i walked away.

If I was an ass to you Mr.Bill, I am sorry, but that is where I was coming from. Don't judge a book by it's cover.

**JR2ALTA** · 02-08-2013, 12:48 AM

Originally posted by mrwho:339988

Originally posted by JR2ALTA

up to 70% of Africans "kidnapped" for American slavery were already slaves owned by black Africans.

So instead of releasing them let's just keep their life miserable.

they were released it was called the civil war you jackass

**Chameleon** · 02-08-2013, 01:00 AM

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Originally posted by mrwho

On the other hand, people knew that, somehow, people would get sick and die when in contact with carcasses - they surely didn't know why, but they knew the consequences.

I thought these people were hapless nitwits who just came out of the caves and invented religion to explain things? Yet, you are making the case they these people who lived over 5000 years ago were smart enough to figure out what people who lived less than a few hundred years ago couldn't. They just somehow knew, what the settlers in Johntown, people on the Oregon trail, people who lived during the black plague and hospitals before Flawrence Nightingle, didn't.

**fixthecopier** · 02-08-2013, 01:10 AM

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Originally posted by DAG COPIERS & COMPUTERS

I really like that post by Chameleon! Both Joseph & Moses, ( they were all slaves of the Egyptian pharaohs to begin with), became very very powerful men not only in Egypt, but their work had far reaching consequences in the History of humanity. Most country's laws, including that of your country USA is basically derived from ''the LAW of MOSES'' to the Israelites. You could say 'stolen' from the Bible.
- All good things in life don't come cheaply. There's usually alot of sacrifice involved. The descendants of the black slaves are now a potential force to reckon with in the history of America. No one can now turn the clock back. They have began to reap from the sweat of their fore fathers. More Black Presidents, Army Chiefs, Secretaries of states, Scientists are on their way up to the US power centers. Take it or Leave it!

Dag, the position that you take is interesting . Now I am a realist and have to accept that the way the world is now , is because of everything that has happened in the past, be it good or bad. But we must be willing to condem things that are wrong, such as denying human rights to anyone, despite whatever good it did in the past. If I can stand and talk about all of the ways my country has benifited from the suffering of others, then why not bring back those pratices? I don't mean to enslave the black people because they are American citizens, but what about those illegal aliens? They don't belong here, and there are millions of them. Think of the empire America could continue to build if we had millions of people doing free labor , building roads and schools ect. Once we get going and need more slaves, we just take over Mexico...

20:10 When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it, then proclaim peace unto it.

20:11 And it shall be, if it make thee answer of peace, and open unto thee, then it shall be,that all the people that is found therein shall be tributaries unto thee, and they shall serve thee.

20:12 And if it will make no peace with thee, but will make war against thee, then thou shalt besiege it:

20:13 And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword:

20:14 But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the LORD thy God hath given thee.

20:15 Thus shalt thou do unto all the cities which are very far off from thee, which are not of the cities of these nations.

20:16 But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth:

20:17 But thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee:

Looks like God won't have a problem with it...Canada is next...

**MR Bill** · 02-08-2013, 01:19 AM

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Oh heck there fixthecopier guy. It takes a lot to piss me off. Your post didn't bother me much at all. I have run my own copier company in the past and you hire people to represent your company in a positive way. One of my best hires was a black guy. He and I hit it off real good. He love classical music. We went to the symphony and dinner together a # of times.
A persons skin Color should have no bearing on hiring . I know it does with some, not me. I would have done the same as you and told the fat guy where to go. I just hate the word nigger. Racism is a very sad and horrible disease.

And to Debbie in the UK. I'd really like to see your tats.

**fixthecopier** · 02-08-2013, 01:29 AM

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Originally posted by DAG COPIERS & COMPUTERS

It already too late! They have already started becoming Presidents, Chairmen of 'joint chiefs of staff', secretaries of states etc. You can no longer ignore them. You can't rewind the clock. May be it was in GOD'S master plan for them to be carried into slavery for some more reasons yet to unfold in future!

I guess one of the things that surprises me about your stance, is that it is the same one used by people in America, who are not really considered to be friends to black Americans. here is one such person...

One of the more interesting tidbits to be discussed about GOP presidential front-runner Michelle Bachmann in the current issue of the New Yorker is that one of the books she kept listed on her website as a “must read” was a biography of Robert E. Lee by J. Steven Wilkins. Wilkins is a revisionist historian that seeks to downplay or even glorify the Souths’ tradition of slavery. From the book:

Slavery, as it operated in the pervasively Christian society which was the old South, was not an adversarial relationship founded upon racial animosity. In fact, it bred on the whole, not contempt, but, over time, mutual respect. This produced a mutual esteem of the sort that always results when men give themselves to a common cause. The credit for this startling reality must go to the Christian faith. . . The unity and companionship that existed between the races in the South prior to the war was the fruit of a common faith.

Got that? Because Africans were forcibly converted to Christianity, they didn’t mind being slaves at all but rather worked extra hard to enrich their white owners. For Jesus.
This is the rising star of the GOP. If you are even contemplating voting for this woman, you are a goddamn idiot.
Last month Bachmann also signed a controversial pledge last month, which stated;

Slavery had a disastrous impact on African-American families, yet sadly a child born into slavery in 1860 was more likely to be raised by his mother and father in a two-parent household than was an African-American baby born after the election of the USA’s first African-American President.

Neat huh? It the first part she talks about how slavery benefited blacks and in the second part she manages to dis black families while dragging Obama's name. This person Is a member of congress and expresses views shared by a large part of society considered racist. I am getting the impression you have similar views, if i am wrong please explain why. One of the things that happens when you gloss over some of the things is you tend to forget how bad things were, then you may repeat them.

**Chameleon** · 02-08-2013, 01:36 AM

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Originally posted by fixthecopier

You would think that Jesus and the New Testament would have a different view of slavery, but slavery is still approved of in the New Testament, as the following passages show.

No, you are still substituting approval for tolerance. In all of those verses you quoted the Bible is teaching people ..if you find yourself in this situation make the most of it..like Joseph did when his brothers sold him into slavery. People like William Wilberforce and Lincoln freed slaves because they were christians, not in spite of it, they had this in mind "do unto others as you would have done onto you." -Jesus

Originally posted by fixthecopier

In the following parable, Jesus clearly approves of beating slaves even if they didn't know they were doing anything wrong.

I don't think this qualifies as clearly approving of beating slaves. Also, you misquoted the verse But someone who does not know, and then does something wrong, will be punished only lightly. That part does make a difference. Do you really think lightly punishing someone for doing something wrong is a horrible concept? If you don't like the penal system it sure beats the alternative. Might makes right, survival of the fittest, ...create a superior race?? I prefer the do unto others and all men are created equal philosophy to the alternatives.

**Darren King** · 02-08-2013, 01:40 AM