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Re: indentured servants my ass.....
I agree with Chameleon. The 'big bang' theory fits very well with my theistic world views too.
_ Let us look at it this way: Consider God as an Architect, a Grand Designer who using, his creative imagination comes with a grand design of the universe. A sort of 'BLUE PRINT'. He then brings together all the necessary elements or 'materials' necessary including the 'conditions' required to implement this design and build it into a Tangible object. Then 'gives the ORDER'.....''FIRE!'', OR 'PULLS THE TRIGGER!', then all of a sudden there's a large deafening explosion with the rumbling noise continuing, until each and every object is positioned in its rightful place and order, as per the Architect's plan and design! This is how I would explain the big bang theory to ordinary minds.
_ In short I am saying that there's a hand of God even in that 'Big bang' theory.
_ By the way a few years ago top scientists from all over the world were trying to conduct experiment to verify or' re-create' the big bang theory. It was at a site somewhere in Europe...Swiss Alps or somewhere around there. I don't remember now how far they have gone, I will try to Google to find out.Comment
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I am also not a native english speaker, so I understand your position.
Still, I'm still wondering why everything has to have a "purpose". It's like the age-old question "Why are we here?", well, I know I am here because my mum and dad had a jolly good time and roughly 9 months later I was born. That's the "Reason" why I'm here. The purpose? To live my life to the fullest, take care of my own and, if it can't be avoided, pay my taxes. That pretty much sums it.' "But the salesman said . . ." The salesman's an asshole!'
Mascan42
'You will always find some Eskimo ready to instruct the Congolese on how to cope with heat waves.'
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You know one thing I never hear Christians bring up...In the Muslin holy book, the Quran or Koran, Jesus is mentioned about 28 times and Muhammad is only mentioned 4 times. You would think they would bring that up as further proof of the existence of Jesus, but then it might make Islam seem legit...Just a thought...The greatest enemy of knowledge isn't ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge. Stephen HawkingComment
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' "But the salesman said . . ." The salesman's an asshole!'
Mascan42
'You will always find some Eskimo ready to instruct the Congolese on how to cope with heat waves.'
Ibid
I'm just an ex-tech lurking around and spreading disinformation!Comment
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Re: indentured servants my ass.....
Dag you seem interested in learning and with that in mind here are 2 links on sites that will help you understand how atheist think. This is not an attempt to convert you just to expand your knowledge of people you may not know . It must be hard for people who believe in an afterlife to understand how someone could not.
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Positive Atheism's Frequently Asked QuestionsThe greatest enemy of knowledge isn't ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge. Stephen HawkingComment
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My friend, the Bible has been in existence much much longer than the Quran. In fact the 'TORAH' or 'Talmud', the Jewish Holy book from which the Old Testament is translated precedes all these books by thousands of years. The Quran was written some 600years after the existence of the Bible. It tends to 'duplicate' most of its contents from old testament. Remember all of the three 'Abrahamaic' Religions i.e. Judaism, Christianity and Islam have their roots in the same geographical location ...Middle East.
- As for Jesus' Existence, what further proof does one need? It is a 'done deal'.Comment
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I will definitely take a look at those sites you have recommended. I have an open mind receptive to new ideas. As for belief in ''after-life'', haven't you heard that:'' the God we worship is the God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob?. Therefore, He is the God of the Living, NOT the Dead!''.
- And if we are to go by Science that 'Life is a form of Energy', then we know by the Law of conservation of Energy, that 'Energy can neither be created NOR destroyed, but can be converted from one form to another'. Talk of 'After life' .....in SPIRIT form.Comment
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I realize talking about purpose leaves the boundaries of observable science, the "what" and "how", and is discussing "why" which can only be an opinion. I respect the view there was no purpose because it was just some random act of nature since it has merit. But I find Hoyle's argument reguarding a random act of nature to be more convincing: The chance that higher life forms might have emerged in this way is comparable to the chance that a tornado sweeping through a junkyard might assemble a Boeing 747 from the materials therein.
Hoyle was a probabilities expert and wrote books on card games, which many card decks have his name. Although to give credit where its due, he was rephrasing Payleys clock argument from 1802. Which went like this:
Suppose while walking along I tripped on a stone, and were asked how the stone came to be there. I could say it had been there forever, made from natural processes. But suppose I had found a watch upon the ground, and asked the same question. I hardly think the answer I had before would suffice, that the watch might have always been there, made from natural processes. With every intricate feature and inner workings in a degree which exceeds all computation. For it is the purpose of the watch in which we find an answer.
The chance that higher life forms might have emerged in this way is comparable to the chance that a tornado sweeping through a junkyard might assemble a Boeing 747 from the materials therein. -Fred HoyleComment
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