indentured servants my ass.....

[Darren King]

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As a Christian, you must adhere to the rule that the only way to get to heaven is to accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior. Applying that rule, is it your belief that all Muslims, Jews, Hindus and all of the others who have a non Christian religion, are condemed to burn in hell. That would be the majority of people on the planet. It is hard to believe the invisable man in the sky loves us unconditionally when his plans are, by his own words, to torture most of us forever because we didn't love him back. That is what most American Christians believe.

It is also very hard to believe that everything around us all started in a primordial lake (and where did the water for this lake come from?) billions of years ago, but, some people believe that.
I would say that God (if He exists) put us here to figure it out for ourselve and "earn" our way. Not for him to herd us to redemption. He gave us the tools and it is up to us to use them or not. Just my opinion.

[DAG COPIERS & COMPUTERS]

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As a Christian, you must adhere to the rule that the only way to get to heaven is to accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior. Applying that rule, is it your belief that all Muslims, Jews, Hindus and all of the others who have a non Christian religion, are condemed to burn in hell. That would be the majority of people on the planet. It is hard to believe the invisable man in the sky loves us unconditionally when his plans are, by his own words, to torture most of us forever because we didn't love him back. That is what most American Christians believe.

If this is not true, then where in the bible does it say this. Also, if you follow American Politics, God is not taking from the rich and giving to the poor, it is the opposite, the poor are being taxed to give more to the wealthy.

Also why do countries that have the highest standards of living, also have the highest percentage of citizens who are athiest.

When you look at the top 10 countries by GDP, only 2 are Christian.... A Look at GDP Per Capita and Religion By Nation

Also if you do the research , Norway which rates as one of the most atheistic societies on the planet along with places like Sweden and Denmark seem to have attained the highest standard of living on earth, while the worst standards seem to be the most religious. Why does God not want Christian nations to dominate the list of best places to be an example to other nations?

Dear fix, first I highly commend you for being a very brilliant researcher. I have already visited the above site you recommend. With that in mind, may I also request you to 'Research' for & report to us on the following topics: 1)- A Look at the Happiness Index and Religion by nation.
2)- What makes people happy?
3)- A look at the Suicide rate and Religion by nation.
- I have noticed that you have 'deliberately' stuck to the 'first lessons' of the Christian message...'The doctrine of Fire & Brimstone God who rewards the righteous people but punishes the wicked in eternal hell fire'. You have also refused to acknowledge my repeated appeals to you that God is a SPIRIT being, and NOT some 'invisible MAN' sitting somewhere up there in the clouds ready to punish those who do not follow his commands. I call this the 'first lessons' of the Christian message because that was, what all of us as Christian children were taught while we were still young. It's like a parent telling his children to avoid doing wrong lest he punishes them through spanking!
- But as we grow older, ''Let us move forward, to mature teaching and leave behind us the first lessons of the Christian message''. [Ref: Hebrews ch.5:11-14; also ch.6:1-6].
- To a Christian, ''Accepting Jesus as our Lord & Savior'', simply means 'Accepting the Eternal, Unshakable WORD of God, as not only the foundation of your life but also the guiding light & principle of your life. For Jesus 'simply means the word of God.' But it does not necessarily mean that those who do not believe in Jesus will 'go to Hell'. Salvation itself comes from God.
-'' God treats everyone on the same basis. Those who worship Him and do what is right are acceptable to Him. No matter what race they belong to''.[ACTS ch.10: 34-35...Peter & Cornelius].
To a Christian, Salvation is through Jesus simply because we got the 'message of salvation through Jesus. In other words He is the one who 'opened our eyes' to see the light. Just like Newton 'opened the eyes' of the world on gravity. Can any one ever mention gravity without thinking of Newton?
- As for Rich & Poor nations, God advises everyone to work harder. And He gave us choices to make: 'life or death, curse or blessing, fire or water, poverty or riches', the choice is for each individual or nation. No nation or individual should blame God for their circumstance.

[Akitu]

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Dear Akitu, thanks for your continued interest in this discussion. Let me tackle the issues you raised head on.
If you remember in my posts I have repeatedly stressed the need of NOT taking the meanings of the words in the Bible LITERALLY. Let me also ADD here that the best way to understand the Bible is not merely to READ it BUT by STUDYING it and THINKING about it, Then you will be able to get or gain the INSIGHT & WISDOM you are looking for. You may also need the help of one with knowledge, experience and wisdom in this matter to guide you in understanding of the words in the scripture. Let us take a typical example from none other than the Bible itself in the book of 'ACTS' ch. 8: 26-40.
In it there's a story of an Ethiopian official eunuch, who was an important figure in charge of the treasury of the queen of Ethiopia. He had been to Jerusalem to worship God and was going back to home in his carriage. As he rode along he was reading from the book of the prophet Isaiah. then he met the Apostle Phillip who asked him if 'He understands what he is reading'. The official replied, ''How can I understand UNLESS somebody explains it to me?''. And he invited Phillip to climb up and sit in the carriage with him....[and explain to him the meanings...]. You may read this interesting story for yourself...reference above.
- On 'the second note' in your article, about the 'doctrine' of Angels as merely human imaginations, and that according to the Bible Angels do not exist, I can only say this is a gross misrepresentation of facts. The Bible is 'awash' with stories of Angels interacting with humans on behalf of God! Their could of course be of human 'creation' through imaginations, yes, but ''Imagination is more important than Knowledge'', said Albert Einstein, one of the greatest scientist who ever walked the planet earth. Most of the scientific discoveries we enjoy today began as mere imaginations in the minds of men!
- Angels,..Literary 'messengers' are presumed to be 'celestial, spiritual beings with a nature superior to human nature, but infinitely lower than God's nature. [HEBREW 1:4, MATHEW 22:30]. The Bible also mentions 'cherubim & seraphim' as sort of Angels. Visitations are attributed to Angels[Psalm 104:4, 2 SAM 24:16]. They appear as protectors [2 kings 6:17, Isiah 63:9]; on occasion they may appear in human forms as to Abraham, Hagar Lot, Moses,etc Angels announce the birth of Jesus and His Resurrection They help peter and Paul. Some of the more important are named: Gabriel & Michael.
- Lastly, about God's love for humanity, the Bible teaches us that He loves as equally, regardless of any circumstance we may find ourselves in. 'The pot cannot ask the potter, ''Why did you make me like this?''. The case of 'The starving African child' I have already dwelt on that extensively on another thread in this forum, which I think gave birth to this very thread, I suggest you refer to it and re-read my posts in there to 'see' my opinion on the matter. But I would imagine that in that particular case God 'enabled' the starving African child, to 'TEAR THE HEARTS' of the 'Lion' super power country and other Rich nations, through 'PITY' and concern as human family, to send food aids and other relief supplies to that starving child. They did this by taxing you incomes to do the needful. We thank you for this. That is how God works....''Distributes the wealth by 'taking from the rich'and giving to the poor''

Thanks for the reply Dag, but I feel there may have been some parts of my statements you did not interpret correctly, but as always I'm impressed with your skill of English even as a second language.

In essence, the bible itself is Christian law, but the law is supposed to be interpreted freely from what is written? That seems like a very shaky argument in itself. What if the US constitution was supposed to be interpreted freely rather than abide by what is written (or set in stone, as it were)? Anarchy, chaos, misinterpretations, various other sects following the same doctrine arguing about whose interpretation of the interpreted laws are correct... Wait a second, this sounds like Christianity.

I did not say exactly that angels do not exist, merely that what those people saw and referred to as angels, by definition of the bible, do not exist. As I had stated there are only 3 given angel types in the bible, none of which resemble the artistically exaggerated "Humanoid with wings resembling that of a large dove, with a halo and harp" that the men in those stories claim to have seen (minus the halo and harp). I believe you misinterpreted my words as saying all angels do not exist. The angels that appear to men in humanoid form as you mention were the "archangels", one of the 3 given examples I listed, Michael and Gabriel being two of them. The other 2 have never been documented again in a vision by man, any time anyone mentions an angel at all it is referring to the stereotyped angel that does not exist according to the bible itself.

If, for example, someone were to say they saw some funny flying gyroscope with eyes all around the edges - I would actually be inclined to have more belief in this vision than someone saying they saw an angel. Simply because a "Wheel" as they are called, is something nobody seems to acknowledge the existence of in modern day society.

Again, I feel there was a misinterpretation regarding my last paragraph as well. The starving child I referenced was literally in regards to the story of Samson ripping a lion in half with his bare hands. Not the lion's heart, mind you, but the lion itself. A ferocious 400lb flesh eating super cat, ripped in half as though it were a baby goat according to the story itself. Either this parable in the bible was grossly exaggerating Samson's strength, or he ripped the lion in half with his bare hands holding a sword and whoever had entered the parable into the bible forgot the part about his bare hands holding a sword. My question was then, why, if God loves everyone equally, does he allow so many of his African children to suffer through such famine and war and horrible living conditions? Are children not born pure? Then why must a benevolent God test the wills and love of these pure-born children only to have them live a dismally short life where they can not truly enjoy all of God's wonder and splendor that he hath given unto the earth?

[Akitu]

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Akitu - Isaiah 6:4, Angels DO have wings.

Snipped the rest of your post as I'm only addressing this response.

I did not say angels do not have wings, just the stereotypical angels with those types of wings do not exist. Actually, the Seraphim are angels composed entirely of wings according to the bible. I did not discredit the existence of angels with wings, merely the stereotype of angels that modern society takes liberal claims of viewing.

[DAG COPIERS & COMPUTERS]

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Thanks for the reply Dag, but I feel there may have been some parts of my statements you did not interpret correctly, but as always I'm impressed with your skill of English even as a second language.

In essence, the bible itself is Christian law, but the law is supposed to be interpreted freely from what is written? That seems like a very shaky argument in itself. What if the US constitution was supposed to be interpreted freely rather than abide by what is written (or set in stone, as it were)? Anarchy, chaos, misinterpretations, various other sects following the same doctrine arguing about whose interpretation of the interpreted laws are correct... Wait a second, this sounds like Christianity.

I did not say exactly that angels do not exist, merely that what those people saw and referred to as angels, by definition of the bible, do not exist. As I had stated there are only 3 given angel types in the bible, none of which resemble the artistically exaggerated "Humanoid with wings resembling that of a large dove, with a halo and harp" that the men in those stories claim to have seen (minus the halo and harp). I believe you misinterpreted my words as saying all angels do not exist. The angels that appear to men in humanoid form as you mention were the "archangels", one of the 3 given examples I listed, Michael and Gabriel being two of them. The other 2 have never been documented again in a vision by man, any time anyone mentions an angel at all it is referring to the stereotyped angel that does not exist according to the bible itself.

If, for example, someone were to say they saw some funny flying gyroscope with eyes all around the edges - I would actually be inclined to have more belief in this vision than someone saying they saw an angel. Simply because a "Wheel" as they are called, is something nobody seems to acknowledge the existence of in modern day society.

Again, I feel there was a misinterpretation regarding my last paragraph as well. The starving child I referenced was literally in regards to the story of Samson ripping a lion in half with his bare hands. Not the lion's heart, mind you, but the lion itself. A ferocious 400lb flesh eating super cat, ripped in half as though it were a baby goat according to the story itself. Either this parable in the bible was grossly exaggerating Samson's strength, or he ripped the lion in half with his bare hands holding a sword and whoever had entered the parable into the bible forgot the part about his bare hands holding a sword. My question was then, why, if God loves everyone equally, does he allow so many of his African children to suffer through such famine and war and horrible living conditions? Are children not born pure? Then why must a benevolent God test the wills and love of these pure-born children only to have them live a dismally short life where they can not truly enjoy all of God's wonder and splendor that he hath given unto the earth?

Thanks Akitu, for your continued interest in this thread. In your last paragraph above you ''doubt God's equal love for mankind since He allows so much suffering of His African children''. Let me tackle this head on.
First it is not correct to blame God for each & every calamity or misfortune which befall humanity. Neither is it proper to blame Him for each and every circumstance or situation we might find ourselves in. Remember He gave us the brain('Hardware') and the mind('software') to think and reason,[Man is a thinking center] He also gave us the Laws to guide us. Somewhere in the book of Hosea, God says, 'My People PERISH because of lack of Knowledge'.
- Let me also point out this fact: Most of the stories reported from Africa, especially by Western Journalists are NOT a TRUE REFLECTION of the life here. It is meant to satisfy the desires & appetite of the readers there who think that NEWS from Africa has to have drama: Mass rapes in Congo, Runaway crime in South Africa, FAMINE IN THE HORN OF AFRICA, Bombings in Nigeria, Corruption etc. There's a School of thought emerging here that thinks that these stories are 'part of a Western Conspiracy' to show that Nothing Good can ever come out of Africa! There's a popular Illusion which has been created in Europe & America that :'Africa is a strange place inhabited by famine ravished inhabitants, uncivilized, killers' etc. These Journalists often distort the African Reality and exaggerate negative stories, while IGNORING the POSITIVE ones. Such behaviors cannot advance the interests of the continent.
- For Example, Oil & Gas explorations conducted in EAST, CENTRAL & WEST AFRICA over the last few years have unearthed MASSIVE deposits of these resources underground, and production is about to begin soon. A lot of infrastructural developments like the building of Highways, Hydro-power dams, Telecommunication facilities, Hospitals, Schools etc are going on in the continent.
But we hear NOTHING or see little of these stories reported in the Western Media.
- Child Mortality rate might have been 'high' in Africa as you imply, but I can assure the trend has been reversed. It is on the decline, and with improvement in social services like Education, Health sectors as well as good governance in the continent, we expect a drastic rise in the life expectancy of our citizens. You may cross-check these information with the World Health Organization. This March to Civilization is Irreversible. It's a question of time. God indeed Loves us all... equally. He has endowed us with the Resources just as he did to your country there, we just need to sort ourselves out...put our house in order.
- On the question of the 'Stereotype Angels' in the Sistine Chapel, I'm afraid I have no comment. I have no Biblical documented proof to 'set' the upper & lower limits of the Angels' Wingspan...i.e Dimensions. But I think the artist [Michelangelo?] tried his best to display his skills & imagination to 'The Limitations & Imperfections' of a human being, to give humanity his best.
- Lastly, I thank you for appreciating my command & usage of English as a second Language. Here in my country, the passing of English language as a subject [& Maths] in schools, colleges& University is not only mandatory but compulsory. It is the official language . Uganda is actually a 'Regional Education HUB' for the Great Lakes countries of Kenya, Tanzania, Rwanda, Burundi, Southern Sudan,& Somalia. Every Academic year our Schools & Colleges/Universities admit thousands of foreign students who seek admissions here. We have the BEST Education System in the Region. A good Legacy the British Colonialists left behind.

[Akitu]

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Thanks Akitu, for your continued interest in this thread. In your last paragraph above you ''doubt God's equal love for mankind since He allows so much suffering of His African children''. Let me tackle this head on.
First it is not correct to blame God for each & every calamity or misfortune which befall humanity. Neither is it proper to blame Him for each and every circumstance or situation we might find ourselves in. Remember He gave us the brain('Hardware') and the mind('software') to think and reason,[Man is a thinking center] He also gave us the Laws to guide us. Somewhere in the book of Hosea, God says, 'My People PERISH because of lack of Knowledge'.
- Let me also point out this fact: Most of the stories reported from Africa, especially by Western Journalists are NOT a TRUE REFLECTION of the life here. It is meant to satisfy the desires & appetite of the readers there who think that NEWS from Africa has to have drama: Mass rapes in Congo, Runaway crime in South Africa, FAMINE IN THE HORN OF AFRICA, Bombings in Nigeria, Corruption etc. There's a School of thought emerging here that thinks that these stories are 'part of a Western Conspiracy' to show that Nothing Good can ever come out of Africa! There's a popular Illusion which has been created in Europe & America that :'Africa is a strange place inhabited by famine ravished inhabitants, uncivilized, killers' etc. These Journalists often distort the African Reality and exaggerate negative stories, while IGNORING the POSITIVE ones. Such behaviors cannot advance the interests of the continent.
- For Example, Oil & Gas explorations conducted in EAST, CENTRAL & WEST AFRICA over the last few years have unearthed MASSIVE deposits of these resources underground, and production is about to begin soon. A lot of infrastructural developments like the building of Highways, Hydro-power dams, Telecommunication facilities, Hospitals, Schools etc are going on in the continent.
But we hear NOTHING or see little of these stories reported in the Western Media.
- Child Mortality rate might have been 'high' in Africa as you imply, but I can assure the trend has been reversed. It is on the decline, and with improvement in social services like Education, Health sectors as well as good governance in the continent, we expect a drastic rise in the life expectancy of our citizens. You may cross-check these information with the World Health Organization. This March to Civilization is Irreversible. It's a question of time. God indeed Loves us all... equally. He has endowed us with the Resources just as he did to your country there, we just need to sort ourselves out...put our house in order.
- On the question of the 'Stereotype Angels' in the Sistine Chapel, I'm afraid I have no comment. I have no Biblical documented proof to 'set' the upper & lower limits of the Angels' Wingspan...i.e Dimensions. But I think the artist [Michelangelo?] tried his best to display his skills & imagination to 'The Limitations & Imperfections' of a human being, to give humanity his best.
- Lastly, I thank you for appreciating my command & usage of English as a second Language. Here in my country, the passing of English language as a subject [& Maths] in schools, colleges& University is not only mandatory but compulsory. It is the official language . Uganda is actually a 'Regional Education HUB' for the Great Lakes countries of Kenya, Tanzania, Rwanda, Burundi, Southern Sudan,& Somalia. Every Academic year our Schools & Colleges/Universities admit thousands of foreign students who seek admissions here. We have the BEST Education System in the Region. A good Legacy the British Colonialists left behind.

Thanks for the explanation Dag, I'm aware that the media overplays how "under developed" the larger parts of Africa actually are. If anything, some might even make claims that the majour cities are rivaling if not surpassing those in the states. It truly saddens me to see that that's what the media still focuses on, the outlying areas that haven't quite been touched by society yet, trying to convince the masses that Africa is some kind of giant Little Shop of Horrors where anything that can be described as alive is probably trying to eat and skin a person alive.

In that light, you say that God should not be credited when something bad happens. So, we are only supposed to praise Him when something good happens, but think it a random coincidence when something bad happens? An omnipotent God would be responsible for both the good and the bad, and should be taking credit for both as such. To say a random bad event is not His fault is now at the point of absurdity, I was always taught to take responsibility for my actions, why can't the almighty God?

It's reassuring to know that child mortality rates are on the decline, but I think the point of Samson's strength being exaggerated in the parable was lost among the other text there. Surely mankind would have noticed something more along the lines of supernatural from the bible by this point, so many years after much of these stories claim to have taken place.

The reason for the lack of given proof is because those types of angels were an artistic liberty taken by Michaelangelo and other various artists. Those types of angels do not exist according to the bible, anyone who claims to have seen that must be seeing what they want to see based on what they know and have been shown by the media (cartoons etc., those Merrie Melodies/Looney Tunes shows were great at showing the stereotypical white robes with the halo and the harp). It's simply a coping device that people use to deal with things their brain can't comprehend, almost like a sanity saving feature. As stated previously, if someone said they saw a Cherubim or a Wheel, I would be more likely to believe them based just off what was given by the bible itself.

[Chameleon]

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God is only responsible in the sense he gave people free will knowing full well what they were capable of doing both good and bad. I brought some children into this world knowing what a crappy place it can be, and I don't regret that decision. Why should I be held responsible for every bad thing that happens to them? Sure I am responsible for deciding to have kids, and am glad I did, but I am not the perpetrator of the bad things so I am not responsible for the bad things. And when I actually do something nice for them, why shouldn't I get a little credit? God promises everlasting life with him in heaven to those that believe, not an easy well feed existence here on Earth. God said in this world you will have trouble but I will give you peace of mind.

..At this point I would be looking for the bus from the mental hospital they must of got off of.

forcedloved the world, that he gave his one and only son, that who ever believes in him will not perish but have everlasting life. Loved, gave, believe, does not = pissed, anger, torture. The bible describes a loving father son relationship, not some pissed, torturing, invisible dude that seems to enjoy causing pain.

[DAG COPIERS & COMPUTERS]

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Thanks gentlemen for the continued discussion on this topic. I highly value your inputs.
- Well, we might have probably veered off the 'question about SAMSON'S exaggerated strength', BUT I would like to imagine that Samson is probably a 'J story'. He was the rather 'dumb' heavy weight champion of the old testament, and also its practical joker. It tells the story of that modern films delight in, [such as Rambo, James Bond 007, Schwarzenegger etc], of the simple man who becomes champion, falls to the woman's wiles, keeps falling; then goes out in a blaze of glory. He was a historic figure round whom a great deal of legend has gathered, as it has gathered round Robbin Hood, and all such.
- Let me point out here that Samson was actually one of the JUDGES. Born in the tribe of Dan he was vowed by his parents as a Nazirite (Judges 13:1-24). Judah & Dan had become isolated territorially from the other tribes, and the Philistines were taking full advantage of the fact. With them, Samson carried on a one-man guerrilla war.

***JUDGES...Not precisely in the modern sense of the word. Although the original judge was Moses the law giver, the name was also given to men of worth & inspiration who acted boldly in some national emergencies, and so earned distinction and reverence for themselves. This was in the days before the monarchy, when there was no commander in chief and no standing army. So Judgement then, to the Israelite was NOT ''MERELY A QUESTION OF WEIGHING EVIDENCE IN THE MIND''.
- Remember that, 'the book of Judges' under which the Samson story appear, [and ofcourse other men like Gideon, Ehud, Othniel, Shamgar etc] is the History of the of the Israelite which covers the period between the death of Joshua and the appointment of Saul as King---something around 300 years, between 1400 and 1100 BC. It is the story of the settlement of a land [Canaan] still unsubdued and surrounded by bitter and implacable foes whose force had to be met by force!!!
- 'Exaggerating the strength' of one's own army or the enemy's strength in times of war or political turmoil is I believe, a 'tactical maneuver' of great strategic Value. In order for the Israelite to survive then they had to use such 'exaggeration' of their hero Samson. Didn't your own Arnold Schwarzenegger use 'his own imaginary strength' & popularity as a film star to 'clinch' the California(?) Governorship sometime back? People voted 'massively' for him, and he won by landslide.
- Lastly, as for God's responsibility in our lives, my friend Chameleon has answered you so well that I have no better words to put it. Thank you.

[fixthecopier]

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As a Christian, you must adhere to the rule that the only way to get to heaven is to accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior. Applying that rule, is it your belief that all Muslims, Jews, Hindus and all of the others who have a non Christian religion, are condemed to burn in hell. That would be the majority of people on the planet. It is hard to believe the invisable man in the sky loves us unconditionally when his plans are, by his own words, to torture most of us forever because we didn't love him back. That is what most American Christians believe.

Darren, you did not respond to the first part of that. What happens to those who do not practice your religion. I know what the bible says.


Also, can one of you explain why God, who loves us, got mad and wiped out mankind through the flood, then got upset again and the only way he could get over it was to have man kill his son. To me this sounds like the work of a psycho. With all that talk of forgivness, why couldn't God forgive us and be done with the drama.

Also, Dag, as I may have stated before, the explanations you give would not be accepted in my country because it is eaiser to teach the simple stories just as they are written in the bible. Theist in my country are afraid to teach children to think, because they may one day start to think for themselves and that would bring religion to an end, when it looses the power to control people.

Relevant... http://i.imgur.com/AzqpDye.jpg

[Chameleon]

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Also, can one of you explain why God, who loves us, got mad and wiped out mankind through the flood, then got upset again and the only way he could get over it was to have man kill his son. To me this sounds like the work of a psycho. With all that talk of forgivness, why couldn't God forgive us and be done with the drama.

Here is my explanation, God gave people free will so those who wanted to believe in him could of their own choosing, and those that cost us something, people sacrificed animals as a symbol so they would see that when they made a mistake it didwantedwant

[DWise]

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Creationist offers $10,000 to anyone willing to challenge literal interpretation of Genesis in court

Found this article and thought some may be interested

[mrwho]

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Creationist offers $10,000 to anyone willing to challenge literal interpretation of Genesis in court

Found this article and thought some may be interested

Nobody will ever win that, because it can be said that everything science can throw at it was god's way of doing things. Unless he's willing to give the 10k to anyone willing to try to convince him.

[DWise]

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Nobody will ever win that, because it can be said that everything science can throw at it was god's way of doing things. Unless he's willing to give the 10k to anyone willing to try to convince him.

[fixthecopier]

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It is so one sided. It is some one trying to drag you down to the pit of dumb. I do not need to go to court to know that you can't throw a planet together in 6 days. Why is it that those who always demand evidence, can never provide any.

[DAG COPIERS & COMPUTERS]

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It is so one sided. It is some one trying to drag you down to the pit of dumb. I do not need to go to court to know that you can't throw a planet together in 6 days. Why is it that those who always demand evidence, can never provide any.

The trap is in the word 'Literal' translation of the book. Any student of 'Divinity' as a subject (in High School) is taught that the word '6 days' is taken to mean ' 6 Phases', AND NOT the 24 hour clock governed world. You cannot surely limit the work of God to a 'clock governed world'. I am sure if the author can remove the word 'Literal' from the topic, he could get some debaters.