Which copier was the biggest piece of crap ever?

[mitchl]

8412 Toshiba what a POS that was

Konica 1790 true garbage

Konica 1290 just plain embarrassing

Monica 151 just proves that engineers get stoned tooooo!

Monica DI 181 What the hell were they thinking

Monica DI 25/350 needs to be fed corn on a daily basis, what a pig.

[wagon]

Di181? Di250/350? They are not too bad! I have worked on them a lot, better than a lot of the Konica junk from the same era and newer (7020, 7222, etc.). BUT you have to know the 'tricks' to make them good!

[CanonHPTech]

My vote is for a newer model- may not be of all-time, but anyone who has worked on more than one feels my pain.

Canon IR C5800/6800 series

Basically a IR 5570 series with a rotary (hate em) in it. Only unit that I know where a seasoned tech can just do a PM to it, and it gets called right back in for something image quality related. Best is when customers think that they should print photo quality- hah. These guys fade out at 100K.

[mitchl]

Di181? Di250/350? They are not too bad! I have worked on them a lot, better than a lot of the Konica junk from the same era and newer (7020, 7222, etc.). BUT you have to know the 'tricks' to make them good!

When you have 400 to 500 of those pigs all rooting around at the same time they can be a real hand full and what ever you do dont run a generic toner in them, ever.........Problems become 10 fold, trust me we went there and learned the hard way.

[tashima]

[Copier_Guy]

2020\'s you forgot the biggest piece of crap the Xerox 2020. It was a used barely reconditioned ancient 3100 revamped into a large format reduction machine that had 12 mirrors. and a 500 pound reduction head that moved to one side so the operators could make regular copies. The big red X sold them as new for $12000 plus. From that day on any machine with the numbers 2020 have been doomed.

True. I worked on those monsters. Now Canon has a 2020 out and it's heading into the annals also.

[Copier_Guy]

E Studio 3511/4511

Are they that bad? I'm going to work on one for the first time on Wednesday. I hope this doesn't turn into a born again headache.

[dwparker.wa]

Savin 772 , a liquid machine made for the US Navy that had toxic dispersant ( you were ordered to use it for cleaning the copier BUT forbidden to INHALE the fumes),the only way to clean the optics was to remove the mirrors through the front frame then try to line them up for reinstalling by feel.The "exposure" adjustment was a piece of string tied to a lever and a shutter, and , last but not least, it used the dispersant/toner mixture as a lubricant for the ENTIRE drive system. If the copier did not make copies for 72 hours, the drive would sieze, drum would flake and it would take 2 days to clean and replace ALL the moving drive parts.
Parker

[nightshade]

Konica's 8050, hands down one big TURD!!

[jcirafic]

Any Savin 700 series liquid toner machine. Doing a drum brake over a carpet was a real treat.

[knightfall]

how about any of the Toshiba e studio

[galexander37]

SAVIN LIQUID MACHINES ALL WERE PIGS. DO YOU TECHS REMEMBER THE 9040i? THAT WAS SAVIN'S LAST STAND AND IT SUCKED.

[jcirafic]

To GAlexander, no I don't remember the 9040 but I remember the 700 series, 5030, 5040, 7030, 7050, v-35 (color copier, 3 liquid toner colors), v-45 and I know I'm forgetting a few. These were brutal, sounds like you worked on them too. Any powder machine was heaven compared to them. I remember rebuilding the pumps after cleaning them in a parts washer. Talk about going thru hand cleaner.

[Tonerbomb]

Back in the day when you were more of a plumber than a tech, Savin liquids. As for dry machines how 'bout the toshiba 8412, total POS. Then there's the Ricoh 2103 color box with a 50 minute dev initial cycle when you change dev.

[11x17]

By the sounds of all the bitchin it sounds like I got it pretty good working on Canons all day long. My worst was the np3725 with the spring clutches and leaking developers.