Ir 4570 film paper dryout???

[SESHU]

Hi frnds..

1. My ir 4570 film paper every time tears in oneside.. I am checking every thing filmpaper assy. Each film comes into 50,000 copies.

O.k.

2. Film paper inside grease attempt and newely install the film paper. That grease dry out after 10,000 to 15,000 copies ,, after i can remove film paper assy and again apply to grease again insert the film paper.. Every time apply the (white) grease. Other wise film paper cannot move freely and paper jams into film paper assy.

Any solution is there for these 2 problems. I am very suffer for this problem.

( i cannot touch / adjust presure roller screws, why beacuse if any new problem comes into film paper assy)

give me reply frnds.......

[dlucas]

hello there, i am facing this fixing film tearing problem too. but the usage of each fixing film can last up to 100k. i have adjusted the pressure screw before but it won't work. try replacing the pressure roller,bushing and bearing of the pressure roller. if the contact between the film and roller aren't tight enough the film won't rotate and causes jam or film teared.

[dlucas]

today i went to do the ir3570 with fixing film teared, previously i replaced the fixing film assembly with genuine one but the film didn't rotate. today i went and changed the pressure roller and the film rotated. so my conclusion would be the pressure roller,bushing and the bearing should be replaced as a set. hope my opinion helps

[SESHU]

O.k .thankyou for replying dlucas..

First of all can i adjust pressure roller screws ..
If problem after then continues then try to change the pressure roller.

O.k. Tell me your sugestion..

[dlucas]

you can try adjust the pressure screw but need the right tool. make sure you mark it before adjusting and do nip check.

[SESHU]

Yesterday also film paper teared...
Again changed new film paper...

I can do fallow your sugestion very urgent...

[mrfixit51]

Yesterday also film paper teared...
Again changed new film paper...

I can do fallow your sugestion very urgent...

You can keep chasing this elusive problem with fixing films, or replace the entire fixing assembly and be done with it. I know we all tend to try to keep costs down, but sooner or later, the solution will turn out to be addressed with the assembly. In the meantime, your customer has to endure this downtime while you seek the solution to their problem, and they may very well decide to rid themselves of the problem by either a different machine, or different tech working on the problem.

[SESHU]

O.k .. I agree with your solution...

I have one doubt.. Problem is film paper tears. So only for this problem change in to entire assembly. How it is.. That film paper assembley is completed dead when the film paper tears problem started????

In any way no solution is there for remake the assembly.
Why film paper tears?????
Where is main cause for film paper tears ??????

If you know the total entire film paper assembly.
You know the answer also...

Tell me mr fixit....

[mrfixit51]

O.k .. I agree with your solution...

I have one doubt.. Problem is film paper tears. So only for this problem change in to entire assembly. How it is.. That film paper assembley is completed dead when the film paper tears problem started????

In any way no solution is there for remake the assembly.
Why film paper tears?????
Where is main cause for film paper tears ??????

If you know the total entire film paper assembly.
You know the answer also...

Tell me mr fixit....

If you agree with my solution, then implement it. I don't have the time in my days to fight every battle down to the last small detail. I operate under a productivity model that encourages positive results, cost is a consideration, but labor is not cheap either, so at some point in this seemingly endless battle over what is causing the problem, I will give up and replace the assembly.

You may have to replace the pressure roller, bushings, clean roller, fixing film, and try adjusting pressure, which I never touch, to get to the point where it would have been less expensive when you factor in the labor time on this problem machine, where it will cost you less to replace the entire fuser in less time and move on to your next service call. Some calls are cheap, some calls are expensive, that is the way of life...

[Guest]

How many clicks on the machine.
The fixing ass'y is only good for about 240K.

[dlucas]

the best way is to change the whole assembly to save time and cost but if you insist to find out what the cause then try changing the pressure roller bushing and bearing. if all is done then there should be a problem with the assembly may be the frame is deformed.

[dlucas]

okey it's clear that changing the whole assembly is the best way but if you insist to find out the cause then try changing the pressure roller,bushing and bearing. if all is done then it's the assembly faulty may be the frame deformed and caused uneven pressure.

[SESHU]

i agree with your solution..dlucas.
80 % percent guarantee frame is compliant. i can checking what ever it may be . i will find out this problem.....

[SESHU]

my mechine now running 350 k onwards..
each 50 to 70k copies tears the film.. first film its comming 70k.
Totally iam Changed 7 films . 8 th film running...

no one cane find out this problem where it is?????????????

[mrfixit51]

no one cane find out this problem where it is?????????????

Seshu, you are the one who is onsite, ultimately, it is up to you to find out what is tearing the films. We can only offer advice and supposition as to what the cause of your problem is. That has been done, more than once, by several tech's. So when you figure it out,,, let us know.

Have a good day