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As I have understood, to majority SST in the validity it is not necessary for them it would be desirable to have simply an ego for what it and as an ego correctly to use they do not know. Free there is only a cheese in a mousetrap..........
Each individual supporter to this forum makes their own determination on what to provide/how to provide/when to provide and to whom they want to provide support-
No one person should decide on how that individual should respond or support someones posted issue.
Uhh ...if you want to stay with your thinking then I wonder how much of the copyrighted material (manuals) that are sold on this site have permissions from the manufacturer. All material including tech bulletins are copyrighted and require explicit permissions from the manufacturer.
I too pay to have access to information, however not everybody is doing the volume or has the resources to establish a relationship with a manufacture (read that as dealership). As such you can be a "legit tech running a legit business" and be a little guy with just one dealership.
So what is so wrong with a "little" guy or independent trying to keep his client and make a buck?
If you don't want to help fellow techs in need then perhaps YOU need to go away and keep your comments to yourself!!!!
I'm here to give help and advice to people who are here seeking advice to the technical problems that they are facing. I'm simpling pointing out that when a technician decides to leave company XYZ and go do it on his own that they should make sure that they can do the job the right way and have sources to where they can purchase manuals, software, firmware....etc. or have be granted access to it in the proper manner. Not to be coming on to public website and expecting people to give it to them for free and put their relationships with manufacturers and vendors at risk.
I'm not trying to keep anyone from making a buck....just trying to make sure that people know the rules and follow them
If you are a legit tech running a legit business then you should have a relationship with the manufacturer which gives you access to this information. That is why the manufacturer does not post this information on a public website for all to have. I pay to have access to it....offset my cost for that access then we can go down that road. If not...go away!!!!
Uhh ...if you want to stay with your thinking then I wonder how much of the copyrighted material (manuals) that are sold on this site have permissions from the manufacturer. All material including tech bulletins are copyrighted and require explicit permissions from the manufacturer.
I too pay to have access to information, however not everybody is doing the volume or has the resources to establish a relationship with a manufacture (read that as dealership). As such you can be a "legit tech running a legit business" and be a little guy with just one dealership.
So what is so wrong with a "little" guy or independent trying to keep his client and make a buck?
If you don't want to help fellow techs in need then perhaps YOU need to go away and keep your comments to yourself!!!!
I know Charm, but it's the creators of the copyrighted/patented works that get paid, or contracted licensees, not the person that steals them.
We are fortunate to get our manufacturer stuff for free but I'm almost positive that in the many pages of legal mumbo that its supposed to be kept confidential.
The whole point is, if someone new comes and asks for help someone should show some good will and not be so nasty to them. If the issue is non-techs coming to a site for techs and getting freebies and not paying for it; then the site should be locked down with strict membership criteria. Although I don't see many sites like that, including sites that give out advice and service information on musical instruments, cars, and printing presses.
Originally posted by charm5496
Hey King. Information is free. It is the exchange of copyrighted material, firmware and proprietary software that is not.
BTW, out of all the forums I belong too, this is the only one like it. All others allow the free flow of information whereas this one at times is akin to communist china.
Hey King. Information is free. It is the exchange of copyrighted material, firmware and proprietary software that is not.
Is this not a place for techs to get help and to help one another. ?Their are a lot of little guys or independents trying to make ends meet. So what is the problem of someone asking for help?
If you are a legit tech running a legit business then you should have a relationship with the manufacturer which gives you access to this information. That is why the manufacturer does not post this information on a public website for all to have. I pay to have access to it....offset my cost for that access then we can go down that road. If not...go away!!!!
Oh well there's no problem helping each other, as long as you pay $12.77 for it, which oddly enough used to be $11.77 (I guess everybody is hurting from the economy). ::sarcasm::
Hell even some of the competing dealers around here will throw you a free bone and some advice every once in a while.
Originally posted by Geo
Is this not a place for techs to get help and to help one another. ?Their are a lot of little guys or independents trying to make ends meet. So what is the problem of someone asking for help?
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