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  • SESHU
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    • Feb 2009
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    #16
    Originally posted by teckat
    how are single sided copies and or prints/scans Look ???

    when u scan just off the glass not using the DF to your printer all is OK ??

    Upside ?? does that mean the side facing the front- back- right - or left side of the printer when it exits ??
    i can't understand...

    when i make copies s also same as it is oneside/bothsides upside lightly comes..

    i am already post the images also...

    when i make prints as it is all corners it will come full of quality,
    like scan also scan to computer all sides full of quality allsides..

    but when i make copies only like effected copies only... upside ...

    like i want said to clearly ... when i make copies a4r / legal /a3 it will comes left side full of light copies out....

    are you understand my problem....

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    • badboys
      Technician
      • Oct 2010
      • 69

      #17
      I DON'T UNDERSTAND YOU...WHAT IS "oneside/bothsides upside lightly comes"????
      Can you use the common/general technical terms like "Leading edge or Trailing Edge"



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      • teckat
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        #18
        Originally posted by SESHU
        i can't understand...

        when i make copies s also same as it is oneside/bothsides upside lightly comes..

        i am already post the images also...

        when i make prints as it is all corners it will come full of quality,
        like scan also scan to computer all sides full of quality allsides..

        but when i make copies only like effected copies only... upside ...

        like i want said to clearly ... when i make copies a4r / legal /a3 it will comes left side full of light copies out....

        are you understand my problem....


        sorry but is a little difficult to understand
        your words


        When u make the SCAN- to your PC=do u place it on the glass or use the top DF FEEDER

        When u make COPIES- and have this quality problem -is it from the GLASS only / or does it also happen when u put paper in the top DF Feeder to copy
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        • teckat
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          #19
          Originally posted by SESHU
          i can't understand...

          when i make copies s also same as it is oneside/bothsides upside lightly comes..

          i am already post the images also...

          when i make prints as it is all corners it will come full of quality,
          like scan also scan to computer all sides full of quality allsides..

          but when i make copies only like effected copies only... upside ...

          like i want said to clearly ... when i make copies a4r / legal /a3 it will comes left side full of light copies out....

          are you understand my problem....



          I went back to your posted images/ now I understand what u are talking about/
          What u showing are Three pages of same document

          IMAGES ARE ..
          First image is a >copy from the 4570

          Second image is from >your computer to 4570

          Third is a scan >to your computer

          Question now is ? where did u place the document when u made a copy ? On the Glass or in the DF Feeder tray ?

          Next ?? Where did u Scan the document from ?
          On glass or did u use the DF Feeder tray.
          Last edited by teckat; 10-14-2010, 05:17 PM.
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          • livancicm
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            #20
            clean rotating mirror in laser unit

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            • teckat
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              #21
              Originally posted by SESHU
              i can't understand...

              when i make copies s also same as it is oneside/bothsides upside lightly comes..

              i am already post the images also...

              when i make prints as it is all corners it will come full of quality,
              like scan also scan to computer all sides full of quality allsides..

              but when i make copies only like effected copies only... upside ...

              like i want said to clearly ... when i make copies a4r / legal /a3 it will comes left side full of light copies out....

              are you understand my problem....

              Have u Check the slit glass
              iR4570.jpg
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              • mrfixit51
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                • Oct 2008
                • 1975

                #22
                I might as well jump in here and take a stab at it...

                As I understand the problem, if you make prints from a PC, the density is fine, I assume the same with internal test prints,,, if you make a copy, then you have the light image issue. The problem has nothing to do with the laser or the rest of the print engine. The scanner is where you have the issue. clean the optics and run CCD ADJust under service mode, and the scanner issue should be corrected.
                "Once a King, always a King, but once a Knight is enough!"

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                • blazebusiness
                  SanDiegoCopierRepair.com

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                  • Apr 2010
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                  #23
                  That machine doesn't even have a ccd array(MOS diode technology). Uses a contact image sensor(3 color LED technology). Funny that canon still calls the adjustment in service mode CCD adjust. Either way - Mr fixit is correct. CCD Adjust is for the CIS.
                  sigpicAnything can be made to work if you fiddle with it long enough- San Diego Copier Repair.com

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                  • teckat
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                    #24
                    Originally posted by blazebusiness
                    That machine doesn't even have a ccd array(MOS diode technology). Uses a contact image sensor(3 color LED technology). Funny that canon still calls the adjustment in service mode CCD adjust. Either way - Mr fixit is correct. CCD Adjust is for the CIS.

                    poster has not replied to where he placed that first copy - was it on the Glass or in the DF tray- it makes a big difference

                    also, if it is true that he says the SCAN from the 4570 is good=it appears to look good/ did he Scan using the DF or placing it on the Glass ?? Makes a difference.

                    need some answers on these ??????
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                    • teckat
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                      #25
                      Originally posted by blazebusiness
                      That machine doesn't even have a ccd array(MOS diode technology). Uses a contact image sensor(3 color LED technology). Funny that canon still calls the adjustment in service mode CCD adjust. Either way - Mr fixit is correct. CCD Adjust is for the CIS.

                      4570

                      CCD array collects the reflected light coming through the rod lens
                      array.

                      The machine's CCD sensor is a 1-line linear image sensor consisting of 7488 photocells. After completion of
                      photoelectric conversion in the light-receiving block, the signals are output to the AP circuit in the reader controller
                      circuit board in parallel for each channel (total eight channels) of the CCD array.

                      CCD2.JPG

                      The contact image sensor (CIS) is used to control analog image processing in the following flow of work:
                      The light reflected by the original is collected by the rod lens array;
                      the light is then collected by the CCD array;
                      the light is converted into an electric signal by the CCD array (photo-conversion) for output.
                      The CCD array consists of a total of 8 channels (units). Each channel possesses its own output correction table used
                      to process an input intensity signal for gain correction for output of an image signal

                      CCD.JPG
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                      • SESHU
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                        • Feb 2009
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                        #26
                        Originally posted by badboys
                        I DON'T UNDERSTAND YOU...WHAT IS "oneside/bothsides upside lightly comes"????
                        Can you use the common/general technical terms like "Leading edge or Trailing Edge"



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                        YES..
                        I CAN SEE YOUR IMAGE MY PROBLEM IS COMES PERFECTLY REAR SIDE FULLY LIGHTLY.
                        that's also effected only when making copies....

                        o.k.
                        now you can give me solution....

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                        • SESHU
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                          #27
                          Originally posted by teckat


                          sorry but is a little difficult to understand
                          your words


                          When u make the SCAN- to your PC=do u place it on the glass or use the top DF FEEDER

                          When u make COPIES- and have this quality problem -is it from the GLASS only / or does it also happen when u put paper in the top DF Feeder to copy
                          no..
                          when i make scan to computer i placed the paper on the glass.
                          full of qulaity all sides..

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                          • SESHU
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                            #28
                            Originally posted by teckat
                            I went back to your posted images/ now I understand what u are talking about/
                            What u showing are Three pages of same document

                            IMAGES ARE ..
                            First image is a >copy from the 4570

                            Second image is from >your computer to 4570

                            Third is a scan >to your computer

                            Question now is ? where did u place the document when u made a copy ? On the Glass or in the DF Feeder tray ?

                            Next ?? Where did u Scan the document from ?
                            On glass or did u use the DF Feeder tray.
                            i am showing images scan to computer i placed the paper on the glass.
                            and also i can make copies also paper placed on the glass. i am showing first image copy from the glass.

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                            • SESHU
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                              #29
                              Originally posted by mrfixit51
                              I might as well jump in here and take a stab at it...

                              As I understand the problem, if you make prints from a PC, the density is fine, I assume the same with internal test prints,,, if you make a copy, then you have the light image issue. The problem has nothing to do with the laser or the rest of the print engine. The scanner is where you have the issue. clean the optics and run CCD ADJust under service mode, and the scanner issue should be corrected.
                              yes .. u have understand my problem correctly mr.fixit..
                              i make the copies only light images will comes out..
                              how can i adjust ccd values in service mode.

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                              • SESHU
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                                #30
                                Originally posted by teckat


                                sorry but is a little difficult to understand
                                your words


                                When u make the SCAN- to your PC=do u place it on the glass or use the top DF FEEDER

                                When u make COPIES- and have this quality problem -is it from the GLASS only / or does it also happen when u put paper in the top DF Feeder to copy
                                now .. i can make copies checking glass and df feeder also..
                                those are same problem found..

                                place the paper on the glass check the image rear side upside lightly .
                                and also same image will comes out in upper df feeder also upside light image quality...
                                iam showing first image copy that's have been glass and upper df feeder also.
                                so now what to do...

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