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  • kingarthur
    Service Manager

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    • Feb 2008
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    #1

    Airprint/Mopria

    This is probably a really stupid question.....my IT/network knowledge isn't brilliant
    We've got a customer with a C308, Airprint & Mopria are both turned on, but no one can see the printer on any iphone or android device.... but everyone can print wirelessly to the C308 on their macs & windows pcs....what am i missing.....if I go on the KM app on my phone and input the IP of the bizhub on their wi-fi, I can't find it, but the customers are using the IP to print from their macs & pcs
    Tip for the day; Treat every problem as your dog would.....If you cant eat it or f*ck it....then p*ss on it & walk away...
  • tsbservice
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    • May 2007
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    #2
    Re: Airprint/Mopria

    This may not apply in your case, but to use AirPrint or/and Mopria, it may be necessary to update the device firmware.
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    • Synthohol
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      #3
      Re: Airprint/Mopria

      Are the devices logged on to the wireless network? If not that's your answer.
      We know a thing or two because we've seen a thing or two.
      The medication helps though...

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      • copier tech
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        #4
        Re: Airprint/Mopria

        Originally posted by tsbservice
        This may not apply in your case, but to use AirPrint or/and Mopria, it may be necessary to update the device firmware.
        The 8 series have AirPrint enabled by default.



        AirPrint can be a bit tempermental especially on a large scale network phones/ipads need to be on same network as the copier.
        Let us eat, drink, and be merry, because tomorrow we may die!

        For all your firmware & service manual needs please visit us at:

        www.copierfirmware.co.uk - www.printerfirmware.co.uk

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        • kingarthur
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          • Feb 2008
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          #5
          Re: Airprint/Mopria

          Originally posted by Synthohol
          Are the devices logged on to the wireless network? If not that's your answer.
          that's what's confusing me, they are printing wirelessly to using the MFPs IP address....it's a hub where it's based, so they have different people coming in and using their network, because, apparently, it's a lot of hassle to download the print drivers and connecting via the IP, they want their clients to be able to use airprint for their MACs....
          Tip for the day; Treat every problem as your dog would.....If you cant eat it or f*ck it....then p*ss on it & walk away...

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          • Bix
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            • Apr 2018
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            #6
            Re: Airprint/Mopria

            In some cases, some large networks have IP redirection. A problem could be the firewall if it is present.

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            • copier tech
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              • Jan 2014
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              #7
              Re: Airprint/Mopria

              Originally posted by kingarthur
              that's what's confusing me, they are printing wirelessly to using the MFPs IP address....it's a hub where it's based, so they have different people coming in and using their network, because, apparently, it's a lot of hassle to download the print drivers and connecting via the IP, they want their clients to be able to use airprint for their MACs....
              The AirPort express is ideal for that, this will give the mac users AirPrint access.
              Let us eat, drink, and be merry, because tomorrow we may die!

              For all your firmware & service manual needs please visit us at:

              www.copierfirmware.co.uk - www.printerfirmware.co.uk

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              • B0265
                Senior Tech

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                • Jan 2007
                • 718

                #8
                Re: Airprint/Mopria

                Originally posted by kingarthur
                that's what's confusing me, they are printing wirelessly to using the MFPs IP address....it's a hub where it's based, so they have different people coming in and using their network, because, apparently, it's a lot of hassle to download the print drivers and connecting via the IP, they want their clients to be able to use airprint for their MACs....
                If AirPrint is enabled on the C308 and you add it as a printer on a Mac computer, AirPrint is usually selected as default protocol.

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                • tsbservice
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                  #9
                  Re: Airprint/Mopria

                  From manuals:
                  https://manuals.konicaminolta.eu/bizhub-C287-C227-UD/EN/contents/id08-_102039433.html#p-1

                  https://www.biz.konicaminolta.com/download/users-guide/airprint/pdf/AirPrint_guide_opg_1-6-1_eu.pdf

                  You need to set using Mopria/AirPrint to ON(default OFF).

                  Hope that helps.
                  A tree is known by its fruit, a man by his deeds. A good deed is never lost, he who sows courtesy, reaps friendship, and he who plants kindness gathers love.
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                  • mincopier
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                    • Dec 2015
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                    #10
                    Re: Airprint/Mopria

                    Originally posted by copier tech
                    The 8 series have AirPrint enabled by default.



                    AirPrint can be a bit tempermental especially on a large scale network phones/ipads need to be on same network as the copier.
                    Went to an "8" series machine today and it was not turned on by default. Just saying.

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                    • allan
                      RTFM!!

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                      #11
                      Re: Airprint/Mopria

                      Mobile devices(phones) can be identified by the MAC address range given to the manufacturer. Useless info
                      Connecting to the same wifi network?

                      Can you ping the phone from a PC?
                      Whatever

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                      • mincopier
                        Trusted Tech

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                        • Dec 2015
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                        #12
                        Re: Airprint/Mopria

                        Not sure if it is needed or not but make sure "Bonjour" is enabled.

                        On the machine I did today AirPrint needed enabled under Common Settings, then Print needed enabled under Print. One of the should have "SSL Only" and SSL/Non-SSL"

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                        • emujo2
                          Service Manager

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                          • Mar 2017
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                          #13
                          Re: Airprint/Mopria

                          We have the same situation in our office..MACs on wired network can see KM devices, IOS do not. AirPrint is on/enabled..The reason for this is our wireless network is a different segment and AirPrint protocols do not cross network segments.

                          Our Network

                          Wired=10.10.x.x
                          Wireless=10.215.x.x

                          Airprint cannot see the 10.10 segment. Hope this helps. Emujo

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                          • D_L_P
                            Self Employed

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                            • Oct 2009
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                            #14
                            Re: Airprint/Mopria

                            Originally posted by kingarthur
                            This is probably a really stupid question.....my IT/network knowledge isn't brilliant
                            We've got a customer with a C308, Airprint & Mopria are both turned on, but no one can see the printer on any iphone or android device.... but everyone can print wirelessly to the C308 on their macs & windows pcs....what am i missing.....if I go on the KM app on my phone and input the IP of the bizhub on their wi-fi, I can't find it, but the customers are using the IP to print from their macs & pcs

                            Not a dumb question at all, I used to think Airprint was a Mac's version of a wireless network. Airprint and Mopria are services (similar to Bonjour or SNMP) that the device runs on a network. These services allow for driverless printing. Airprint or Mopria don't provide a wired or wireless network themselves, instead they advertise these services on whatever network the copier is on, wireless or even wired.

                            In your case I'd say the C308 is probably wired to a router. The router provides the wireless access points for the Macs and laptops. They are all on the same network, therefore they can see each other as well as the Airprint/Mopria service.

                            While the iPhones or Androids are indeed operating wirelessly, they just aren't on the same WiFi network as the copier. They are probably on their service providers network, such as AT&T or Verizon. It's possible they could be on a guest WiFi network too. Guest WiFi sucks because your laptop could get a 192.168.0.10 ip address and the copier could have a 192.168.0.11 ip address and yet, not be able to ping each other. It sounds more likely the phones are just on their service providers wireless network.

                            If you can get your phone to join the customers WiFi network 1st, then try PageScope mobile and I'll bet it would connect.

                            The other option is if your Bizhub has the UK-212/215 kit installed. Then the Bizhub can provide it's own WiFi network for any phone or laptop to connect to. It would be listed with the other options installed in the customer menus or in service mode under "Network" there would be a 2nd network card settings menu.

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                            • tsbservice
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                              #15
                              Re: Airprint/Mopria

                              Given that Mopria/Air Print are On.
                              There are two possibilities:
                              1. They don't have UK-212 and EK-608 are installed. Bizhub is connected with LAN cable to the router
                              who acts as wireless LAN access point. Mobile devices need to be connected to this same network as well.
                              2. They do have UK-212 and EK-608 installed. Then depending on setup if they want to print from guests mobile devices
                              WITHOUT connecting to network bizhub should be setup in Wired + Wireless (Primary mode) or Wired + Wireless (Wi-Fi Direct).
                              A tree is known by its fruit, a man by his deeds. A good deed is never lost, he who sows courtesy, reaps friendship, and he who plants kindness gathers love.
                              Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused.

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