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  • Gift
    Service Manager

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    • Mar 2011
    • 2459

    #16
    Re: Restart 454e

    Is the battery on the controller board OK? I've seen some dying on the xx4e series leading to several issues, like data lost (counter "0").

    Edit: I think the voltage should be arund 3.3V

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    • copier tech
      Field Supervisor

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      • Jan 2014
      • 8131

      #17
      Re: Restart 454e

      Originally posted by Gift
      Is the battery on the controller board OK? I've seen some dying on the xx4e series leading to several issues, like data lost (counter "0").

      Edit: I think the voltage should be arund 3.3V
      Interesting, we are always getting 'asked' how to clear the 4e series counters, so simply removing the battery will do the trick!?

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      • Gift
        Service Manager

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        • Mar 2011
        • 2459

        #18
        Re: Restart 454e

        Originally posted by copier tech
        Interesting, we are always getting 'asked' how to clear the 4e series counters, so simply removing the battery will do the trick!?


        Yeah it might but I never tried to force it that way. I had a case with complete data loss after the machine was unplugged during a preventive maintanance and another case when we swapped a unit and powered it on when it arrived in our workshop for inspection and a "normal" data clear due to privacy protection.

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        • uzi mana
          Technician
          • Jun 2012
          • 20

          #19
          Re: Restart 454e

          Anyone know what to do?

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          • srvctec
            Former KM Senior Tech

            500+ Posts
            • Oct 2009
            • 827

            #20
            Re: Restart 454e

            Originally posted by uzi mana
            Anyone know what to do?
            You still haven't mentioned whether you've done a Clear All Data in service mode as suggested by tsbservice in post #11. You replied to him with a completely different answer like you didn't even think his suggestion had merit. Maybe you just overlooked it or didn't get what he said or maybe there is a language barrier?
            Started in the copier service business in the fall of 1988 and worked at the same company for 33.5 years, becoming the senior tech in 2004 but left to pursue another career on 4/29/22.

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            • uzi mana
              Technician
              • Jun 2012
              • 20

              #21
              Re: Restart 454e

              Originally posted by srvctec
              You still haven't mentioned whether you've done a Clear All Data in service mode as suggested by tsbservice in post #11. You replied to him with a completely different answer like you didn't even think his suggestion had merit. Maybe you just overlooked it or didn't get what he said or maybe there is a language barrier?
              yes i did it and dont help

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              • Gift
                Service Manager

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                • Mar 2011
                • 2459

                #22
                Re: Restart 454e

                battery check?

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                • uzi mana
                  Technician
                  • Jun 2012
                  • 20

                  #23
                  Re: Restart 454e

                  Originally posted by Gift
                  battery check?

                  I checked
                  3.2 v

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                  • Gift
                    Service Manager

                    1,000+ Posts
                    • Mar 2011
                    • 2459

                    #24
                    Re: Restart 454e

                    If you really tried everything suggested here it's hard to tell how to proceed, especially if there's no chance for the sales guy to sell a new MFP and write this one off

                    Have you tried swapping any boards/electrical components so far, like PSU, MFP board, operation panel? Perhaps you have a part donator for stripping some stuff.

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                    • uzi mana
                      Technician
                      • Jun 2012
                      • 20

                      #25
                      Re: Restart 454e

                      Originally posted by Gift
                      If you really tried everything suggested here it's hard to tell how to proceed, especially if there's no chance for the sales guy to sell a new MFP and write this one off

                      Have you tried swapping any boards/electrical components so far, like PSU, MFP board, operation panel? Perhaps you have a part donator for stripping some stuff.

                      I have not tried it yet
                      Strange it happens to me in 2 machines same problem
                      I need to get another machine to replace parts like PSU or MFP

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                      • femaster
                        Service Manager

                        1,000+ Posts
                        • May 2011
                        • 1482

                        #26
                        Re: Restart 454e

                        Originally posted by copier tech
                        Interesting, we are always getting 'asked' how to clear the 4e series counters, so simply removing the battery will do the trick!?

                        Even just shorting the battery for a few minutes works. I have seen it cause other issues though, which requires a re-shorting of the battery, or reset firmware to bring it back to life.
                        A Ricoh Service Tech for 7 year. A Konica Minolta Service Tech for 7 years. Now, KM service manager for 4 years.
                        My Ricoh knowledge is slowly dwindling away at this point. Many things have been lost to time...

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                        • allan
                          RTFM!!

                          5,000+ Posts
                          • Apr 2010
                          • 5462

                          #27
                          Re: Restart 454e

                          Originally posted by femaster
                          Even just shorting the battery for a few minutes works. I have seen it cause other issues though, which requires a re-shorting of the battery, or reset firmware to bring it back to life.
                          Shorting the battery that keeps the SSD running is a bit risky in the field. Like you said don't know the weirdness that can follow.
                          3.2V is close enough to correct should be 3.3V regulated.
                          Measure on a working machine anyway.


                          .
                          Whatever

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                          • uzi mana
                            Technician
                            • Jun 2012
                            • 20

                            #28
                            Re: Restart 454e

                            Originally posted by femaster
                            even just shorting the battery for a few minutes works. I have seen it cause other issues though, which requires a re-shorting of the battery, or reset firmware to bring it back to life.
                            o.k
                            i try it and tall you if it is working
                            ty

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                            • tsbservice
                              Field tech

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                              • May 2007
                              • 7986

                              #29
                              Re: Restart 454e

                              Originally posted by uzi mana
                              o.k
                              i try it and tall you if it is working
                              ty
                              Don't do that. You may have luck but you may also turn the machine into a boat anchor.
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                              • uzi mana
                                Technician
                                • Jun 2012
                                • 20

                                #30
                                Re: Restart 454e

                                Originally posted by tsbservice
                                Don't do that. You may have luck but you may also turn the machine into a boat anchor.

                                o.k

                                but What to do?

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