Bizhub C224e/C258 series fuser premature failure

[tsbservice]

I have one machine in very dusty enviroment where 3 fusers go to about of 60% of their expected yeld and then fusing belt develops many black dirth dots(non-cleanable).
I would like to attempt belt replacement of last fuser as all other parts seem in good conditions. I know some guys here rebuild fuser units just need to know if there is list of recomended parts to go along with belt. Disasembly instructions may become handy too.
TIA, tsb

[copyman]

Re: Bizhub C224e/C258 series fuser premature failure

I have one machine in very dusty enviroment where 3 fusers go to about of 60% of their expected yeld and then fusing belt develops many black dirth dots(non-cleanable).
I would like to attempt belt replacement of last fuser as all other parts seem in good conditions. I know some guys here rebuild fuser units just need to know if there is list of recomended parts to go along with belt. Disasembly instructions may become handy too.
TIA, tsb

I've been rebuilding these fusers for a few years now. Only parts I replace is the belt & lower fuser roller (both sold at copylite). Recently came across a high volume fuser that needed the sponge roller inside of the belt (small bearing disintegrated and cut into shaft). These sponge rollers are sold by China suppliers but hard to get in USA. Copylite lists them but are wrong rollers. Just a side note when you have a noisy fuser it's from these small bearings on sponge roller drying out.

This isn't something I would do in a customer's office. Lay everything out in order you take apart. Might take you several hours first time but eventually can be done in less than 2 hours. Much easier then the Biz C253. I take pictures first time I rebuild a fuser, etc.

One last thing C454 fuser is identical except the lamp & Lower fuser roller are different. (although I have swapped the connector on a C224 for lamp to work in a C454) Wires a little shorter but works!

Hope this helps

[copier tech]

Re: Bizhub C224e/C258 series fuser premature failure

I have one machine in very dusty enviroment where 3 fusers go to about of 60% of their expected yeld and then fusing belt develops many black dirth dots(non-cleanable).
I would like to attempt belt replacement of last fuser as all other parts seem in good conditions. I know some guys here rebuild fuser units just need to know if there is list of recomended parts to go along with belt. Disasembly instructions may become handy too.
TIA, tsb

[copyman]

Re: Bizhub C224e/C258 series fuser premature failure

Don’t waste your time. Simply replace the failed fuser & move on.

When it comes to saving $500 I have all the time in the world to waste! Easy to say just replace a $500+ fuser when someone works for a dealer or OEM but when self employed you save your customer $$ while making yourself good profit. I was hesitant at first but have some rebuilt nearing 500K and still going strong. So if another tech tells me something works just ignore it? Hell no especially if they tell me they have done many with NO problems!

And in the case of tsbservice with fusers failing under 100K they could put just a $40 belt in. But I guess the easy way out is just keep putting $500+ fusers in! No thanks.

Everyone has their own opinion and way of doing things. After 45 yrs in business my way is working just fine

[copyman]

Re: Bizhub C224e/C258 series fuser premature failure

Not sure if tsbservice is in CO? If so we have done business before so they know they can trust my word.

[Bix]

Re: Bizhub C224e/C258 series fuser premature failure

What do you think about Aliexpress?
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[copier tech]

Re: Bizhub C224e/C258 series fuser premature failure

When it comes to saving $500 I have all the time in the world to waste! Easy to say just replace a $500+ fuser when someone works for a dealer or OEM but when self employed you save your customer $$ while making yourself good profit. I was hesitant at first but have some rebuilt nearing 500K and still going strong. So if another tech tells me something works just ignore it? Hell no especially if they tell me they have done many with NO problems!

And in the case of tsbservice with fusers failing under 100K they could put just a $40 belt in. But I guess the easy way out is just keep putting $500+ fusers in! No thanks.

Everyone has their own opinion and way of doing things. After 45 yrs in business my way is working just fine

My time is more valuable, 4/5 calls per day, if I was rebuilding fusers that would be halved then 10 calls the following day.

The beauty of working on Bizhubs if the fact that all the main components are simple & quick to replace, why ruin that.

[tulintron]

Re: Bizhub C224e/C258 series fuser premature failure

When it comes to saving $500 I have all the time in the world to waste! Easy to say just replace a $500+ fuser when someone works for a dealer or OEM but when self employed you save your customer $$ while making yourself good profit. I was hesitant at first but have some rebuilt nearing 500K and still going strong. So if another tech tells me something works just ignore it? Hell no especially if they tell me they have done many with NO problems!

And in the case of tsbservice with fusers failing under 100K they could put just a $40 belt in. But I guess the easy way out is just keep putting $500+ fusers in! No thanks.

Everyone has their own opinion and way of doing things. After 45 yrs in business my way is working just fine

Here we also work this way. We even do many tests in our laboratory. Crazy experiences, TSB already knows me. Lol ...

I agree with you, when you say that: if it works at low cost, why have the highest cost?


Everything is a matter of choice and, in our case, the low cost has given a good yield and a considerable return $$

[tulintron]

Re: Bizhub C224e/C258 series fuser premature failure

I have one machine in very dusty enviroment where 3 fusers go to about of 60% of their expected yeld and then fusing belt develops many black dirth dots(non-cleanable).
I would like to attempt belt replacement of last fuser as all other parts seem in good conditions. I know some guys here rebuild fuser units just need to know if there is list of recomended parts to go along with belt. Disasembly instructions may become handy too.
TIA, tsb

In the first disassemblies, I confess that I did not like doing them. But with practice, you improve the work.

Your knowledge will make the process easy. The result will tell you how much it is worth

[copyman]

Re: Bizhub C224e/C258 series fuser premature failure

My time is more valuable, 4/5 calls per day, if I was rebuilding fusers that would be halved then 10 calls the following day.

The beauty of working on Bizhubs if the fact that all the main components are simple & quick to replace, why ruin that.

Agree time is valuable.

I do them at night so not to affect my service calls during the day. When you are self employed it's a 24/7 job. One night out of the month I'll do a fuser another night 2 or 3 drum units (takes 20 mins each, new drum, blade, grid & sawtooth corona). Few days a month to save my customers a lot of $$$ and make me a lot of $$$. It would be like working for a company and getting some over time pay!

[copyman]

Re: Bizhub C224e/C258 series fuser premature failure

I've been rebuilding these fusers for a few years now. Only parts I replace is the belt & lower fuser roller (both sold at copylite). Recently came across a high volume fuser that needed the sponge roller inside of the belt (small bearing disintegrated and cut into shaft). These sponge rollers are sold by China suppliers but hard to get in USA. Copylite lists them but are wrong rollers. Just a side note when you have a noisy fuser it's from these small bearings on sponge roller drying out.

This isn't something I would do in a customer's office. Lay everything out in order you take apart. Might take you several hours first time but eventually can be done in less than 2 hours. Much easier then the Biz C253. I take pictures first time I rebuild a fuser, etc.

One last thing C454 fuser is identical except the lamp & Lower fuser roller are different. (although I have swapped the connector on a C224 for lamp to work in a C454) Wires a little shorter but works!

Hope this helps

I wanted to add something very important, I also automatically replace the 2 small bearings on the sponge roller. This will stop any noise from the fuser plus not disintegrate and ruin the sponge roller shafts! bearings available aftermarket or very common used in many Kon/Min models. I take them from finishers that I'm scraping. Example: There are 4 - 6 of these small bearings in a FS-534.

[Bix]

Re: Bizhub C224e/C258 series fuser premature failure

My time is more valuable, 4/5 calls per day, if I was rebuilding fusers that would be halved then 10 calls the following day.

The beauty of working on Bizhubs if the fact that all the main components are simple & quick to replace, why ruin that.

Ricoh has another thought. All fusers, developer units, drums etc need to be rebuilt.
Even the electronic boards want them to be sent to the factory for repair.

[tsbservice]

Re: Bizhub C224e/C258 series fuser premature failure

Thanks everyone for valuable advices and especially copyman. I have one fuser in hand and would like at least to attempt rebuild it. Then we will see.
So to sum up I will need belt and lower pressure roller + 2 small bearings, right?
As for Alibaba/Aliexpress suppliers I have here CET parts available: http://www.cetgroupco.com/gb/ and will try them.

[copier tech]

Re: Bizhub C224e/C258 series fuser premature failure

Ricoh has another thought. All fusers, developer units, drums etc need to be rebuilt.
Even the electronic boards want them to be sent to the factory for repair.

Yes, Ricoh & Canon have designed their fusers to be rebuilt, however because they are designed this way genuine parts are available to order & pretty easy to rebuild.

Kyocera, Lexmark & Konica Minolta designed their fusers to be replaced as one unit. Kyocera go one step further providing a maintenance kit containing all feed rollers, drums, devs, transfer & on some models the fuser so after fitting these kit the machine is pretty much like new again.

[emujo2]

Re: Bizhub C224e/C258 series fuser premature failure

My time is more valuable, 4/5 calls per day, if I was rebuilding fusers that would be halved then 10 calls the following day.

The beauty of working on Bizhubs if the fact that all the main components are simple & quick to replace, why ruin that.

In would agree 100% if the units ran their stated life spans..Too many of these items are wearing out at 1/4 of their rated life spans. I don't know about you, but direct and dealer techs are
also rated on the cost of the parts they use.. It's hard to ding someone on high parts costs when a 800$ fuser gets 200k out of a rated 1.2 million, but at the end of the year corporate only sees the numbers. It sure would be nice to order a cyan bag of developer and fix the gounding problem instead of the entire assy. Same with drums, and ITB. I never had an issue rebuilding a 751 fuser..or a Toshiba x fer belt. E