bizhub 808 misfeeds J32-05 ... simplex!

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  • blackcat4866
    Master Of The Obvious

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    • Jul 2007
    • 22936

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    bizhub 808 misfeeds J32-05 ... simplex!

    I've seen plenty of J32-05 jams, and they've always been on the first side of duplex ... up until now.

    On this machine, on SIMPLEX copies the paper stops between the fuser exit roller and the exit roller. It does not snag on the duplex gate ... the duplex gate does not even move. The jam occurs as the leading edge is reaching the fuser exit switch (it can be observed through the exit path). On the jammed page there's a little extra buckle between the fuser and the transfer. And the best part? You have to run 1075 consecutive LTR-R pages to see the first jam. Once it starts it will jam at 8 to 10 copy intervals.

    Why LTR-R prints? It's a title company with all the usual settings: Mixed originals, LTR-R & LGL paper sizes (though there are a few J32-05's on LTR, once it starts). The customer runs over 150K pages per month, 1.8M currently, not massive but a good amount of volume.

    I've swapped parts from our known working loaner, low count: fuser, fuser exit roller assy (includes sensor & flag), and fuser motor. The fuser drive assembly has no damaged gears, the drive coupler shifts smoothly and stays engaged when running. The fuser exit roller stays coupled/driven. If you let it rest for a while you can get another 1075 uninterrupted prints.

    So here's my theory: I think the motor control circuit that drives the fuser motor is overheating, the fuser motor just stops turning, and the paper coasts to a stop or slows enough to show the jam. Since the fuser and fuser exit roller are propelled by a single motor, the whole group of rollers slows or stops together. My next task is to determine which board drives the fuser motor.

    Has anybody had experience with this issue? Our highest count 808 is currently at 2.4M with no issues like this. =^..^=
    Last edited by blackcat4866; 10-09-2021, 02:26 AM.
    If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
    1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
    2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
    3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
    4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
    5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

    blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=
  • blackcat4866
    Master Of The Obvious

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    Re: bizhub 808 misfeeds J32-05 ... simplex!

    Fuser motor M30 connects at CN16E on the MFPB. =^..^=
    If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
    1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
    2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
    3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
    4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
    5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

    blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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    • tsbservice
      Field tech

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      • May 2007
      • 7916

      #3
      Re: bizhub 808 misfeeds J32-05 ... simplex!

      Originally posted by blackcat4866
      Fuser motor M30 connects at CN16E on the MFPB. =^..^=
      Ouch...it's going to be expensive test. Not much help BC but I like your theory motor driver may overhearing.
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      • tsbservice
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        • May 2007
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        #4
        Re: bizhub 808 misfeeds J32-05 ... simplex!

        Originally posted by blackcat4866
        Fuser motor M30 connects at CN16E on the MFPB. =^..^=
        BC I take the time to check SM, can be Exit motor M4 involved? Also I see PFTDB(paper feed/transport drive board) mentioned in troubleshooting maybe you can borrow this from another machine.
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        Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused.

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        • blackcat4866
          Master Of The Obvious

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          #5
          Re: bizhub 808 misfeeds J32-05 ... simplex!

          Originally posted by tsbservice
          BC I take the time to check SM, can be Exit motor M4 involved? Also I see PFTDB(paper feed/transport drive board) mentioned in troubleshooting maybe you can borrow this from another machine.
          The paper has jammed before it reaches the exit motor, so maybe not the exit motor.

          I suppose that the paper exit sensor PS39 connects through the PFTDB, but can you relate that to the 1075 preliminary copies? I cannot imagine a paper switch waiting 1K prints to misfire. =^..^=
          If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
          1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
          2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
          3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
          4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
          5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

          blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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          • srvctec
            Former KM Senior Tech

            500+ Posts
            • Oct 2009
            • 827

            #6
            Re: bizhub 808 misfeeds J32-05 ... simplex!

            I agree it sounds like something in that area is heat sensitive because like you said, why would it wait that many clicks to have the issue.
            Started in the copier service business in the fall of 1988 and worked at the same company for 33.5 years, becoming the senior tech in 2004 but left to pursue another career on 4/29/22.

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