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  • Synthohol
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    • Mar 2016
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    #16
    Re: remember when...

    probably the same reason i still have an EP2030.

    also we used to have a logo here, wtf happened?

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    We know a thing or two because we've seen a thing or two.
    The medication helps though...

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    • copyman
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      • Sep 2005
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      #17
      Re: remember when...

      Came across the attached Minolta brochures when I found the Intravia guides posted earlier. These models were before the merge with Konica. All were real dogs with the exception of the 5320 which was decent. If you notice the originals were fed into ADF from opposite side back then. No scan / slit glass, complete originals were fed onto glass and whole page scanned.
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      • blackcat4866
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        • Jul 2007
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        #18
        Re: remember when...

        The Canon NP6050 had the first machine with a decent recirculating (called 'slide-read' at the time) document feeder that was reliable (1995). All document feeders before this were white belt feeders (or sometimes yellow). Up until then, image registration was all over the place, even on the best running feeders.

        And multi-feeds were manageable on 80gsm originals, but not so manageable on any other originals. On Mitas of this era we had a whole lot of retrofits, trying to make them feed, and not multi-feed:
        *double or triple ribbed pickup rollers
        *additional weight on pickup rollers
        *adjusting drop down solenoid actuation to get the quickest action
        *substituting ribbed pre-registration rollers
        *additional mylars
        *oiling, waxing, or Pledging the glass (LOL, I still have Pledge in my toolbag)

        That all went out the window, when we finally got a DF that worked out-of-the-box. =^..^=
        If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
        1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
        2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
        3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
        4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
        5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

        blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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        • scanmc
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          • Mar 2015
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          #19
          Re: remember when...

          Originally posted by copyman
          Speaking of Intravia guides (see attached). Not sure why I still have these.
          I finally tossed mine probably 5-6 years back. Thanks for the memorys!

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          • KenB
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            • Dec 2007
            • 3945

            #20
            Re: remember when...

            Originally posted by blackcat4866
            The Canon NP6050 had the first machine with a decent recirculating (called 'slide-read' at the time) document feeder that was reliable (1995). All document feeders before this were white belt feeders (or sometimes yellow). Up until then, image registration was all over the place, even on the best running feeders.

            And multi-feeds were manageable on 80gsm originals, but not so manageable on any other originals. On Mitas of this era we had a whole lot of retrofits, trying to make them feed, and not multi-feed:
            *double or triple ribbed pickup rollers
            *additional weight on pickup rollers
            *adjusting drop down solenoid actuation to get the quickest action
            *substituting ribbed pre-registration rollers
            *additional mylars
            *oiling, waxing, or Pledging the glass (LOL, I still have Pledge in my toolbag)

            That all went out the window, when we finally got a DF that worked out-of-the-box. =^..^=
            How about the CFF (Computer Forms Feeder) that came out with the NP6060?

            There was one even years before that, for the NP-L7. Yikes!!!
            Last edited by KenB; 07-10-2023, 10:54 PM.
            “I think you should treat good friends like a fine wine. That’s why I keep mine locked up in the basement.” - Tim Hawkins

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            • copyman
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              • Sep 2005
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              #21
              Re: remember when...

              Originally posted by blackcat4866
              The Canon NP6050 had the first machine with a decent recirculating (called 'slide-read' at the time) document feeder that was reliable (1995). All document feeders before this were white belt feeders (or sometimes yellow). Up until then, image registration was all over the place, even on the best running feeders.

              And multi-feeds were manageable on 80gsm originals, but not so manageable on any other originals. On Mitas of this era we had a whole lot of retrofits, trying to make them feed, and not multi-feed:
              *double or triple ribbed pickup rollers
              *additional weight on pickup rollers
              *adjusting drop down solenoid actuation to get the quickest action
              *substituting ribbed pre-registration rollers
              *additional mylars
              *oiling, waxing, or Pledging the glass (LOL, I still have Pledge in my toolbag)

              That all went out the window, when we finally got a DF that worked out-of-the-box. =^..^=
              We used rain-x, fuser oil on the glass. Heck I've even used cling free dryer sheets in the paper trays on those old machines to prevent static from feeding more than one sheet. Used rubber band to hold on the lids of trays. In the 80's and 90's techs were on their own and had to be very creative! Not much help from the OEM back then.

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              • blackcat4866
                Master Of The Obvious

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                • Jul 2007
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                #22
                Re: remember when...

                Originally posted by KenB
                How about the CFF (Computer Forms Feeder) that came out with the NP6060?

                There was one even years before that, for the NP-L7. Yikes!!!
                I'm not sure how it happened, but somehow I became the NP6060 "expert", though I had no training of any sort. I certainly didn't hate them. They were some of the most reliable high volume machines in the field. I had (8) of them. Around (6) years along, the over saturated fuser webs had oozed their way down into the duplex units, and saturated everything. It was a half day job to change out all the duplex rollers and bushings. The bad thing about the CFF (computer forms feeder) was the crazy swivel mount, to swing it over the add-on slit glass. It was wobbly, endusers banged them around, and the separate optics got really dirty over the years. The pre-perfed hinges tended to rip, rather than unfold on older crispy documents.

                Then Ikon started supplying the crappy Copy Technologies knock-off toner, and the quality went to sh!t.
                =^..^=
                If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
                1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
                2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
                3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
                4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
                5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

                blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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                • KenB
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                  2,500+ Posts
                  • Dec 2007
                  • 3945

                  #23
                  Re: remember when...

                  Originally posted by blackcat4866
                  I'm not sure how it happened, but somehow I became the NP6060 "expert", though I had no training of any sort. I certainly didn't hate them. They were some of the most reliable high volume machines in the field. I had (8) of them. Around (6) years along, the over saturated fuser webs had oozed their way down into the duplex units, and saturated everything. It was a half day job to change out all the duplex rollers and bushings. The bad thing about the CFF (computer forms feeder) was the crazy swivel mount, to swing it over the add-on slit glass. It was wobbly, endusers banged them around, and the separate optics got really dirty over the years. The pre-perfed hinges tended to rip, rather than unfold on older crispy documents.

                  Then Ikon started supplying the crappy Copy Technologies knock-off toner, and the quality went to sh!t.
                  =^..^=
                  “I think you should treat good friends like a fine wine. That’s why I keep mine locked up in the basement.” - Tim Hawkins

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                  • copyman
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                    • Sep 2005
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                    #24
                    Re: remember when...

                    That computer form feed option brought to mind back when only 3rd party sorters / finishers were available, Gradco, etc. What a nightmare with each bin having to open or lift to sort each page. Keep in mind these were analog copiers only, no printing, scanning, fax, etc. Moving exposure glass, chain driven, metal gears, 100-120V motors, etc. Ahh the good ole days.

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                    • blackcat4866
                      Master Of The Obvious

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                      • Jul 2007
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                      #25
                      Re: remember when...

                      Originally posted by copyman
                      That computer form feed option brought to mind back when only 3rd party sorters / finishers were available, Gradco, etc. What a nightmare with each bin having to open or lift to sort each page. Keep in mind these were analog copiers only, no printing, scanning, fax, etc. Moving exposure glass, chain driven, metal gears, 100-120V motors, etc. Ahh the good ole days.
                      There wasn't a lot of communication going on between the Mita engine and the finisher, either. I nearly bust out laughing when my customer showed me this on their 10 bin Gradco finisher: "... I just select sort, and 20 copies, and watch this ..." the first 10 went into bins, and the remaining 10 floated gently the floor.

                      OOPS! Didn't think that all the way through. =^..^=
                      If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
                      1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
                      2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
                      3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
                      4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
                      5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

                      blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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