Add more edge erase on printing? 8353ci

[fishleg]

I've got a machine that loves to wrap in the fuser with lots of solids. I increased the print margins U405 I think which sorted copying out and even internal prints get a nice 10mm on lead edge but it has zero effect on printing.

User has a pdf with hardly any lead edge must be 5mm which wraps pretty much within 3 sheets. I even tried changing the start timing with u034 from the tray which again made the image move on internal tests and copying but printing didn't move at all. Is there some where else i should be changing the centering?

[PrintWhisperer]

Re: Add more edge erase on printing? 8353ci

Margins are defined by the Application or the Driver and you need to define them there.

Machine settings are ignored as long as margin definitions are being sent.

If you want to try the method is via FRPO settings, but as the Prescribe TEC reference states "This setting may be ignored in some emulation modes":



Copy the following text into notepad and save the file. Rename the extension to .capt and save it on to a thumb drive:

!R! FRPO A1, 0; FRPO A2, 50; STAT1; EXIT;

Note: (A1= Integer value in inches , A2= Fractional value in 1/100 inches)

Print a Service Status Page to check the FRPO Values for A1 and A2 (Top Margin)

Insert USB into device and print the file. It will apply the settings and print a Service Status Page. Check the new page for the A1/A2 settings to see that they have changed.


This will set the top margin at 0.5 inches (50/100) but for most Windows printing this would probably be ignored. You can try changing the PDL from PCL-XL to KPDL to see if the FRPO setting is then obeyed.

GL!

[copier tech]

Re: Add more edge erase on printing? 8353ci

I've got a machine that loves to wrap in the fuser with lots of solids. I increased the print margins U405 I think which sorted copying out and even internal prints get a nice 10mm on lead edge but it has zero effect on printing.

User has a pdf with hardly any lead edge must be 5mm which wraps pretty much within 3 sheets. I even tried changing the start timing with u034 from the tray which again made the image move on internal tests and copying but printing didn't move at all. Is there some where else i should be changing the centering?

I use U034 & U066 for this issue.

[blackcat4866]

Re: Add more edge erase on printing? 8353ci

Yes, image quality adjustments are generally ignored on prints. I'll be interested to know if PrintWhisperer's PreScribe command works for you. =^..^=

[BillyCarpenter]

Re: Add more edge erase on printing? 8353ci

Margins are defined by the Application or the Driver and you need to define them there.

Machine settings are ignored as long as margin definitions are being sent.

If you want to try the method is via FRPO settings, but as the Prescribe TEC reference states "This setting may be ignored in some emulation modes":



Copy the following text into notepad and save the file. Rename the extension to .capt and save it on to a thumb drive:

!R! FRPO A1, 0; FRPO A2, 50; STAT1; EXIT;

Note: (A1= Integer value in inches , A2= Fractional value in 1/100 inches)

Print a Service Status Page to check the FRPO Values for A1 and A2 (Top Margin)

Insert USB into device and print the file. It will apply the settings and print a Service Status Page. Check the new page for the A1/A2 settings to see that they have changed.


This will set the top margin at 0.5 inches (50/100) but for most Windows printing this would probably be ignored. You can try changing the PDL from PCL-XL to KPDL to see if the FRPO setting is then obeyed.

GL!

Good stuff.

[bsm2]

Re: Add more edge erase on printing? 8353ci

3mm to 5mm is normal spec

Something he's not telling us

[fishleg]

Re: Add more edge erase on printing? 8353ci

Margins are defined by the Application or the Driver and you need to define them there.

Machine settings are ignored as long as margin definitions are being sent.

If you want to try the method is via FRPO settings, but as the Prescribe TEC reference states "This setting may be ignored in some emulation modes":



Copy the following text into notepad and save the file. Rename the extension to .capt and save it on to a thumb drive:

!R! FRPO A1, 0; FRPO A2, 50; STAT1; EXIT;

Note: (A1= Integer value in inches , A2= Fractional value in 1/100 inches)

Print a Service Status Page to check the FRPO Values for A1 and A2 (Top Margin)

Insert USB into device and print the file. It will apply the settings and print a Service Status Page. Check the new page for the A1/A2 settings to see that they have changed.


This will set the top margin at 0.5 inches (50/100) but for most Windows printing this would probably be ignored. You can try changing the PDL from PCL-XL to KPDL to see if the FRPO setting is then obeyed.

GL!

Is that permanent? I'd rather not dig into the world of sending commands I don't really understand no offense. Surely must be a way in the menu to do the same thing?

[fishleg]

Re: Add more edge erase on printing? 8353ci

Yes, image quality adjustments are generally ignored on prints. I'll be interested to know if PrintWhisperer's PreScribe command works for you. =^..^=

Why would they do that though that's insane? Especially since you can't move the image in the driver that I could see.

Any other settings i can try to move the lead edge over? Can't believe you set a print margin in service mode for it to be ignored on prints.

[bsm2]

Re: Add more edge erase on printing? 8353ci

You already got your answer I use U034 & U066 for this issue.

[Ropariva]

Re: Add more edge erase on printing? 8353ci

I've got a machine that loves to wrap in the fuser with lots of solids. I increased the print margins U405 I think which sorted copying out and even internal prints get a nice 10mm on lead edge but it has zero effect on printing.

User has a pdf with hardly any lead edge must be 5mm which wraps pretty much within 3 sheets. I even tried changing the start timing with u034 from the tray which again made the image move on internal tests and copying but printing didn't move at all. Is there some where else i should be changing the centering?

[PrintWhisperer]

Re: Add more edge erase on printing? 8353ci

Is that permanent? I'd rather not dig into the world of sending commands I don't really understand no offense. Surely must be a way in the menu to do the same thing?

Permanent, well yes but only effects jobs without a margin command. It is a default Print Environment setting which can be over-ridden by Print driver instructions. the only way to get around this is using Prescribe filter to insert code within print jobs.

Your best bet is to use the Gutter setting in the Layout tab of the KX driver. You have to set the orientation to landscape to get the gutter on the top and while this worked for my A4 machine I'm not sure how an A3 will handle it.

BTW a top edge lead would imply lengthwise feed so adjust your orientations accordingly.

Yes, image quality adjustments are generally ignored on prints. I'll be interested to know if PrintWhisperer's PreScribe command works for you. =^..^=

I wish they did have a chance of working but probably not. The only way they are obeyed is if there is no print driver/application which provides margin setting command.

This can be simulated using a Generic Text Only driver (no PCL/PS commands to reset environment) and printing from Notepad, which sends simple text to the print driver.

Also Mainframe prints which have minimal or no PCL codes in them, and certain applications which 'passthrough' the driver.

Damn Print Environment rules....

[fishleg]

Re: Add more edge erase on printing? 8353ci

Permanent, well yes but only effects jobs without a margin command. It is a default Print Environment setting which can be over-ridden by Print driver instructions. the only way to get around this is using Prescribe filter to insert code within print jobs.

Your best bet is to use the Gutter setting in the Layout tab of the KX driver. You have to set the orientation to landscape to get the gutter on the top and while this worked for my A4 machine I'm not sure how an A3 will handle it.

BTW a top edge lead would imply lengthwise feed so adjust your orientations accordingly.



I wish they did have a chance of working but probably not. The only way they are obeyed is if there is no print driver/application which provides margin setting command.

This can be simulated using a Generic Text Only driver (no PCL/PS commands to reset environment) and printing from Notepad, which sends simple text to the print driver.

Also Mainframe prints which have minimal or no PCL codes in them, and certain applications which 'passthrough' the driver.

Damn Print Environment rules....

Thanks. I noticed the gutter setting actually I'll play with that if I cant get u34 and u66 to work. I'd have to learn more about them prescribe commands before I'd go there not that desperate yet lol.

Just tired of seeing all these machines wrap on high coverage its like constant almost every machine. I did get one to work by doing u34 and changing the start timing. I wish I had took pictures I'm probably not explaining it the best.

What was strange I altered U34 start timing on one and that moved the image over and the next machine no matter what I put the start timing at it wouldn't move the image. It was late on a Friday and the machine was very busy so might of been me just being silly.

[BillyCarpenter]

Re: Add more edge erase on printing? 8353ci

Thanks. I noticed the gutter setting actually I'll play with that if I cant get u34 and u66 to work. I'd have to learn more about them prescribe commands before I'd go there not that desperate yet lol.

Just tired of seeing all these machines wrap on high coverage its like constant almost every machine. I did get one to work by doing u34 and changing the start timing. I wish I had took pictures I'm probably not explaining it the best.

What was strange I altered U34 start timing on one and that moved the image over and the next machine no matter what I put the start timing at it wouldn't move the image. It was late on a Friday and the machine was very busy so might of been me just being silly.

There's no need to be scared of prescribe commands. I would imagine that most factory trained techs know how to use prescribe. I'm not factory trained but blackcat was nice enough to give me a crash course on it. The only problem I ran into is that many of the prescribe commands no longer worked.

[blackcat4866]

Re: Add more edge erase on printing? 8353ci

...The only problem I ran into is that many of the prescribe commands no longer worked.

True that! It's a moving target. =^..^=

[bsm2]

Re: Add more edge erase on printing? 8353ci

There's no need to be scared of prescribe commands. I would imagine that most factory trained techs know how to use prescribe. I'm not factory trained but blackcat was nice enough to give me a crash course on it. The only problem I ran into is that many of the prescribe commands no longer worked.

Prescribe adjustments are last resort. Not Normal
also prescribe main fuction was to create forms that never really caught on in the real world.

Special Prescribe class from Kyocera
Not covered in regular training classes or online videos training.

Best we had was replacement of a dot matrix printer and printing the same form on 4 different color paper and 4 different sort trays.

3 to 5mm leadedge is normal
Service Manuel has a set process to make adjustments
print side. platen and adf.

Pm me I'll send you the adjustment pages