TA 5052ci PQ

[Service@PRT]

Just want know whats the cause? Suddenly become like this. Before going to the client? Counter is 250k. Just to prepare which thing to bring. Im not familiar much with kyocera? Any advise will highly appreciated

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[copier tech]

Re: TA 5052ci PQ

Just want know whats the cause? Suddenly become like this. Before going to the client? Counter is 250k. Just to prepare which thing to bring. Im not familiar much with kyocera? Any advise will highly appreciated

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If you have a set of drums I'd take these with you.

When you arrive on site use sim code U89 & run a sample set this will give print out a test of colour test prints to help diagnose.

[Service@PRT]

Re: TA 5052ci PQ

If you have a set of drums I'd take these with you.

When you arrive on site use sim code U89 & run a sample set this will give print out a test of colour test prints to help diagnose.

Seems need 4 drums [emoji43][emoji43][emoji43]

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[BillyCarpenter]

Re: TA 5052ci PQ

Are you using OEM toner? I would try replacing all the PCR's and running U464 and U410.

[KYO_OEM]

Re: TA 5052ci PQ

drum bk overaged, produced 2016-08, life count 255418 pages/ expected 200K/ 150.000m(U120)
drums CMY, produced 2016-08, life count 159758 pages/ expected 200K/ 150.000m(U120)
belt produced 2021-04, counter unknown, U465/ "Stress" also unknown

I agree with Billy regarding U464 and U410 after exchange from dk units.

[BillyCarpenter]

Re: TA 5052ci PQ

drum bk overaged, produced 2016-08, life count 255418 pages/ expected 200K/ 150.000m(U120)
drums CMY, produced 2016-08, life count 159758 pages/ expected 200K/ 150.000m(U120)
belt produced 2021-04, counter unknown, U465/ "Stress" also unknown

I agree with Billy regarding U464 and U410 after exchange from dk units.

Just so I'm clear, the drum for the 5052ci is rated at 600K? I understand that you're saying its overaged. Just wanted to be clear on the rated page count for the drum.

[KYO_OEM]

Re: TA 5052ci PQ

you are right Billy!!
mistake from my side!
mistakenly 25ppm instead of 50ppm readed
Now let`s try other kind of analysing:
50ppm system from 2016-08 had run 255k only.
2016/08-2022/12=76month
255k/76month=3355 pages per month
3355pages/ month/ 22days=152 pages/day

In this case i think the dv units are the problem.
High stress for the carrier.

DV refresh, U464 and U410 maybe can be helpfull before exchange

[KYO_OEM]

Re: TA 5052ci PQ

you learned something about the CASS system
I think in this case too much broken carrier was going out against new carrier was coming in by adding toner.

[BillyCarpenter]

Re: TA 5052ci PQ

you learned something about the CASS system
I think in this case too much broken carrier was going out against new carrier was coming in by adding toner.

I never thought about it in those exact terms but it makes sense. When this machine has low copy/print count year after year, the carrier becomes worn and more is going out than coming in. Makes perfect sense.

[Service@PRT]

Re: TA 5052ci PQ

Are you using OEM toner? I would try replacing all the PCR's and running U464 and U410.

Yes it is oem toners

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[Service@PRT]

Re: TA 5052ci PQ

you are right Billy!!
mistake from my side!
mistakenly 25ppm instead of 50ppm readed
Now let`s try other kind of analysing:
50ppm system from 2016-08 had run 255k only.
2016/08-2022/12=76month
255k/76month=3355 pages per month
3355pages/ month/ 22days=152 pages/day

In this case i think the dv units are the problem.
High stress for the carrier.

DV refresh, U464 and U410 maybe can be helpfull before exchange

Thanks. Will go there now to try. Really appreciate billy and kyo!

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[PrintWhisperer]

Re: TA 5052ci PQ

I never thought about it in those exact terms but it makes sense. When this machine has low copy/print count year after year, the carrier becomes worn and more is going out than coming in. Makes perfect sense.

This is why, when it comes to toner, it's "Use it or lose it" because if it's not put on pages, it'll eventually have to be flushed out by running several developer refreshes. This is to eject overcharged toner from stirring 'tribo-electric effect' during driving. Kyocera started the system of camming the TX belt and stopping CMY dv drive during K only mode all to help alleviate unnecessary DV driving.

So those low-coverage rates in tiered billing will bite you in the ass a bit (with toner inclusive contracts) if the volumes are not high.

It even happens on the opposite side, though more rarely. If you run extremely high toner coverage then the carrier builds up faster than the developer discharges waste. Imagine spiral stripe carrier (auger pattern) mashed into the sleeve roller and buffing the drum.

Both conditions are because the dv waste auger is tied to the dv drive time and not based on the rate at which toner-carrier mix is added

[Service@PRT]

Re: TA 5052ci PQ

Replaced 4 (Geniune) PCRs.. still same... Now waiting for the developers to come...

Thanks all for the inputs.. hope to fix the problem.

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