MP C6004 with a MP C3504 Fuser?

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  • digicor
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    • Jul 2008
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    MP C6004 with a MP C3504 Fuser?

    i think someone manipulated this machine to take a c3504 fuser...
    i have bad double imaging, went to replace the fuser, : "set fuset correctly" pops up,, i think well i have a defective one, i go with another one new rebuilt atta da box... same message????
    iu go back to warehouse i have 8 6004s to choose from... the new fuser works in two of two!! its not the fuser
    the bad fuser seems to have a blue and blk wire and the new fusers have White and Blk wires (visable on the right side) and thicker than the blue and blk wires ont the problem fuser
    Is there a way to manipulate the Model from c3504 to c6004 or back? the machine has the speed of a 60 ppm machine but ive had smearing issues on and off with it. on larger color runs its does it, not so much on 2-3 pages of blk n white
    anyway
    it seems the fuser lamp is for the c3504 and i cant replace the fusr with a c6004 until i figure out how to RE SET thw machine??? back to a c6004?
    ive never done this in 25 plus years....
    im not sure but this seems to be the problem...
  • digicor
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    Re: MP C6004 with a MP C3504 Fuser?

    in 5-907 on my c4503 there is choices for different models... but not lower than 4503...

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    • slimslob
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      Re: MP C6004 with a MP C3504 Fuser?

      Looking at the parts catalog, there should be no difference between the fusing unit for the C6004 and the C3504. The only difference shown is between those intended for the 110 V Taiwan, 120 V North America and the 220 V for most other markets. Leads for the lamps will be a different color depending on the intended market. The only other differences mentioned in the service has to do with the main frame and it is the fusing shield position sensor and the fusing shield drive motor located in the fusing unit cavity.

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      • digicor
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        Re: MP C6004 with a MP C3504 Fuser?

        okay it then seems to be 110v Taiwan.. how caan i change it to 120v? in the service mode under section 5 area? im sure its not that simple
        but i have to ask

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        • slimslob
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          Re: MP C6004 with a MP C3504 Fuser?

          Originally posted by digicor
          okay it then seems to be 110v Taiwan.. how caan i change it to 120v? in the service mode under section 5 area? im sure its not that simple
          but i have to ask
          Replace the 110 V Sleeve with the correct one.

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          • digicor
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            Re: MP C6004 with a MP C3504 Fuser?

            wouldnt me replacing the whole fuser unit do this? or do you mean get a 110v sleeve and repair the fuser? i would like to change the 110v to 120v so i dont have any issues in the future because i have plenty of 120v fuser parts and fusers
            maybe i dont understand what your saying
            sorry

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            • slimslob
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              Re: MP C6004 with a MP C3504 Fuser?

              Originally posted by digicor
              wouldnt me replacing the whole fuser unit do this? or do you mean get a 110v sleeve and repair the fuser? i would like to change the 110v to 120v so i dont have any issues in the future because i have plenty of 120v fuser parts and fusers
              maybe i dont understand what your saying
              sorry
              The only difference between a 110V fusing unit and a 120V unit is the lamps in the sleeve. They don't sell just the lamps so either throw the 110 V fuser out or rebuilt with a new sleeve.

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              • anothertech
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                Re: MP C6004 with a MP C3504 Fuser?

                Just put an MP C6004 fuser sleeve and pressure roller into the fuser that's in the machine and your problems should be solved. D2424041 SLEEVE:FUSING and AE020261 PRESSURE ROLLER

                and AE030074 (x2) BALL BEARING
                Last edited by anothertech; 09-13-2022, 03:41 AM.

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                • digicor
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                  Re: MP C6004 with a MP C3504 Fuser?

                  okay, but why wont the replacement fuser work? it fits in, its for the c6004.
                  just curious

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                  • Gift
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                    Re: MP C6004 with a MP C3504 Fuser?

                    Originally posted by digicor
                    okay, but why wont the replacement fuser work? it fits in, its for the c6004.
                    just curious
                    If things work like the MPCxxx3 series I think the machine should detect both 6004 and 3504 versions as long as someone made them fit mechanically. Of course it's not good to use a low PPM fuser variant for the MPC6004 since the fuser lamps probably have a different wattage so it's likely you'll end up fit fuser SC or improper prints.

                    If the machine display something like "fuser not set" it reminds me of my attempts using a SPC... printer version fuser in a MPC...
                    Perhaps this machine has been modded to accept SPC840 fuser units.

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                    • davel
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                      • Gift
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                        Re: MP C6004 with a MP C3504 Fuser?

                        Did you ever tested the "bad fuser" from customers in your machines or at the customers machine after you tried the new ones?

                        THis reminds me of something I had every now and then during the time when the customer could pull the fuser forwaord to remove jams: Sometimes they managed to move pieced of paper between the electrical connectors/sockets. Usually the customer tries to remove the evidence so nothing looked suspicios until you inspect the inside of the connectors.

                        I know the MPCxxx4 fuser can't be removed without tools so that scenario is kind of unlikely but if your customer was playing "wannabe macgyver".....well, who knows^^

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                        • digicor
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                          Re: MP C6004 with a MP C3504 Fuser?

                          UPDATE
                          the machine was set to "asia" i set it to NA(north america) and put in a 120v fuser It took the fuser,,,, BUT..... not it say "print suspended, power to low" ... so the DC power supply has to be stopped
                          part time solution: we raised the fuser heat across the board to 180 degrees , this is the highest it will go,, seems to have stopped the fuser smearing, but its not the solution im looking for
                          Thanks
                          Last edited by digicor; 09-13-2022, 07:44 PM.

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                          • digicor
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                            Re: MP C6004 with a MP C3504 Fuser?

                            UPDATE
                            i switched out dc power supply, and the power supply next to it,,, same message "low power"
                            so its not either of these, im at a brick wall...
                            so i guess its 180 degrees and ill have to note the fuser sleeve replacement with 110v sleeve....
                            question
                            is there somewhere else where another power supply would be hiding? my service man does not show another one

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                            • kleankopy
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                              Re: MP C6004 with a MP C3504 Fuser?

                              Are you using Oem Toner? Some generic toners can cause smears double print.

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