Gun Control

[Coptech]

Re: Gun Control

I keep seeing all this talk of "Black market guns" and the mention that if someone really wanted one, they would find a way. Tell me, if it's so easy to obtain one, why doesn't everyone just do that instead of waiting for a registry check etc.? I'll break it down here.

Are you under the impression that crimes are committed with registered guns? No, the majority are stolen guns, illegally imported guns, fabricated guns, borrowed guns, found guns, the list goes on.

If someone is in a police pursuit, usually, they will toss the gun in an attempt to not be caught with it when they feel they are about to be caught. The penalty difference makes it worthwhile to ditch the weapon. So now you have kids finding them in the sandbox at the neighborhood park. Guns can be made from most anything. You need something to hold a shell casing, a makeshift barrel, and something to hit the primer. Guns will never be removed from society.

My point is that a level playing field makes a better deterrent than the current hand slap penalties. Yes, we have over medicated youth that have been numbed from real world by video game addiction feeling like firing a shot into a crowd can just be reset by starting the game over. Society is screwed up! Reading the Prozac, Zoloft, Ritalin report, how many of those kids do you think will be released back into society after some doctor proclaims them "rehabbed" from their particular drug? None of them should be...At least in my opinion. Blame the meds, blame the guns, blame their environment, but for God's sake, don't hold it against them that they killed someone. "They might not have even known what they were doing"..."They were just kids". Bullshit! Take them out of society. Take them out of the gene pool. Make them the example that give the next kid the pause to rethink his actions feeling that there might just be real consequences after all.

Take care of the problem. Don't just try to remove one of the props. I am told that near the border in Arizona, there are places so dangerous from drug cartel, it is not a place for anyone to hazard into. Our Government has chosen to put up signs warning of the dangers posting to "Keep out" rather than attempt to stop or even control the illegal activity.

It is bad here and trying to control the law abiding citizens while ignoring those that do not care about the laws will resolve nothing.

After the Oklahoma City bombing, they stopped Tim McVay for not having a license plate on his car. People thought "what kind of a moron attract attention to himself after that kind of a crime by such a stupid means. Truth is, if you have such little regard for law and human life, why would you care about a traffic law? I bet it never entered his mind that it would be his downfall.

[Akitu]

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There was a report done several years ago showing how much extra doctors are receiving from drug companies for peddling their products, it winds up dwarfing the amount the doctor was making just on their salary as a doctor in the first place.

[supertype]

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I like that article, interesting point being made.

I half expected to open it up and see "X person was smoking marijuana when they went on their shooting spree". Interesting that the most commonly prescribed was Zoloft and Prozac, often in doses well above the norm. The question should be, who were the doctors that prescribed those dosages, based on what, and why are they not facing repercussions?

I remember reading an article that said the mafia has 51% logical control of any drug company and if you look at the flip side they control all illegal drugs

when you control media and people in power you have everyone under your thumb. if you wish to know who the real rulers are just look at who you can't criticize

Doctors just seem to be drug dealers and not healers anymore, Not all doctors but you can't play the game and not get corrupt eventually it seems

If you really want a good dose of real medicine go search youtube for "Dr. Tent" your mind will be BLOWN!!

[supertype]

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i think most people are 120% BLIND to what is going on in the real world and keep living in the fantasy they like to see america as.

when you read between the lines you get shocked. TSA? Flat out joke and yet we throw more than we give to our schools yearly at this worthless contract.

what has the TSA stopped but freedom and they will even stop you and question you if you have silver coins on your person when going through the airport.

or lets look at the prison system see link

Private Prison Monopolies | NationofChange

[Akitu]

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Very interesting (if true)...

Nearly every mass shooting incident in the last twenty years, and multiple other instances of suicide and isolated shootings all share one thing in common, and its not the weapons used.

Nearly every mass shooting in the last 20 years shares one thing in common, and it isn't weapons. -- Society's Child -- Sott.net

I like that article, interesting point being made.

I half expected to open it up and see "X person was smoking marijuana when they went on their shooting spree". Interesting that the most commonly prescribed was Zoloft and Prozac, often in doses well above the norm. The question should be, who were the doctors that prescribed those dosages, based on what, and why are they not facing repercussions?

[DWise]

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Very interesting (if true)...

Nearly every mass shooting incident in the last twenty years, and multiple other instances of suicide and isolated shootings all share one thing in common, and its not the weapons used.

Nearly every mass shooting in the last 20 years shares one thing in common, and it isn't weapons. -- Society's Child -- Sott.net

[Akitu]

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I keep seeing all this talk of "Black market guns" and the mention that if someone really wanted one, they would find a way. Tell me, if it's so easy to obtain one, why doesn't everyone just do that instead of waiting for a registry check etc.? I'll break it down here.

I full well know the methods and locations, but that's because I'm a former no-life kid who spent 24/7 on the vast space of the internets. I can tell you it's not cheap, as anything illegal tends to be. There's also the hassle of actually procuring the item; I constantly hear tales of how mail gets picked up and intercepted on its way to the destination. If you send it to yourself, then that's just asking for trouble.

For the average person, it's simply too much hassle. Then you add the fact you require specific knowledge to get one, or at least be in the know with someone who has these same means. So to say it's easy is a ridiculous simplification, akin to the same logic from people who say "If humans evolved from apes, why are there still monkeys?" The fact is, if you want a "black market gun" it takes a hell of a lot of trouble and effort, and it's actually easier to just get one the legal way. In any circumstance, you'll have the minority that are so determined they'll find a way, but they're such a minority they shouldn't even be considered. The fact this particular minority gets the most attention on the whole topic is what skews perception of the problem.

On the other hand, if someone wants their own "black market gun", just leave me your credit card info and I'll have it to you within a month.

(See how stupid it can be?)

[slimslob]

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You hear people talk about no "cruel AND unusual" punishment. Most equate the word AND with the word OR. They are different. I feel that for a crime to be unconstitutional, it needs to be both cruel and usual. If the punishment is the usual punishment for a crime then no matter how cruel it is Constitutional. If overcrowding is the norm, it is Constitutional. Imprisonment should be punishment, not a resort where they get more services than the average citizen. Let prisoners request a doctor appointment and have to wait for months or years the way our Veterans have to wait.

[Coptech]

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The US's biggest problem is our broken justice system. No possibility of parole does not mean they will never be released. We have instances where they decide prison overcrowding and model behavior warrants "a second chance". Punishment does not fit the crime. Where is the deterrent?

I was a juror in a capital murder trial. All through the defendant's history, were cases where he should have never seen the light of day again. But our justice system failed to do it's job and "looked the other way" when he got drunk and used a gun after he was never supposed to be in possession of one after his previous convictions. Fast forward and he kills someone in a bad robbery attempt. If our justice system functioned as it should have, he would not have been free to kill.

Most criminals get away with crimes more often than they are caught. Just like the gambler at the slot machine, the time they "won" is worth the risk of another attempt. With no real fear of the justice system, and no real punishment, the risk is worth the potential "rewards". In an armed society, the risk is greater, What if they stand a chance of losing their own life during the commission of the crime? Maybe that would give them pause and make them rethink "is it worth it"?

If you give them an unarmed society, in essence, a safe robbery zone, where they are the only ones armed with their easily obtained black market gun, you have taken the majority of the risk out of their crime for them.

I don't get the naivety of those that think by taking away legal guns, the world will turn to roses and we will all live in a Utopia. I have bad news for them, crime DOES pay for many people and it becomes the chosen profession of many. Until they are removed from society using a better legal system they will always be a threat.


Speaking of that, personally, I don't get the "life with no possibility of parole". If a person is so bad that there will never be any chance of rehabilitation, why do you want to keep them around with a possibility of escape? But again, our justice system is so ridiculous, there is most likely no chance of repair. Think about this, In America, before we "euthanize" a criminal with lethal injection, we wipe the place on their arm where the needle will go with an alcohol swab...What are we afraid they will get a nasty infection and get sick before they die?

[supertype]

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So you claim to speak for the entire United States and all of the continental Americas? That can't be productive. At least I don't see how it could be.

do you agree our freedoms are being slowly taken or corroded away? just like our gun rights are going away slowly so is sanity in our country

for instance a couple in the USA had a garden for 17 years growing food and living well. The city sent them a note saying they had to stop and destroy the garden or face a fine for every day they did not comply. This was not a ugly garden it was very well kept and looked beautiful by all means.

here is the article LINK

[slimslob]

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So a guy last week killed 6 people. 3 with knife and 3 with a hand gun. 3 killed with a KNIFE. But people went nutzo on the gun part of the story.

Yes. And I seem remember that he injured even more with his CAR than he killed. I think that is attempted murder.

[Iowatech]

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the problem with america is we "think" we are free, free to color inside the lines

So you claim to speak for the entire United States and all of the continental Americas? That can't be productive. At least I don't see how it could be.

[supertype]

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So a guy last week killed 6 people. 3 with knife and 3 with a hand gun. 3 killed with a KNIFE. But people went nutzo on the gun part of the story.

the problem with america is we "think" we are free, free to color inside the lines

[MR Bill]

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So a guy last week killed 6 people. 3 with knife and 3 with a hand gun. 3 killed with a KNIFE. But people went nutzo on the gun part of the story.

[Akitu]

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Who said "what if"?

You can look through the first 50 pages of this thread and find it's littered with "what if" statements and derivatives therein. "What if someone comes into my home and threatens my family?" "What if someone starts shooting in the street?" and statements of similar natures all over the place.