Which copier was the biggest piece of crap ever?

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  • ToshibaTech
    Senior Tech

    500+ Posts
    • Apr 2007
    • 580

    #346
    Here's another...

    Any copier with a Binder Minder bolted on top of it. Talk about an ugly looking, feature removing, non working piece of crap! If someone ever asks you about a Binder Minder, don't even talk to them. Ever.
    I will not give you service manuals or firmware.

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    • montana
      Trusted Tech
      • Aug 2008
      • 393

      #347
      hi...the old analogue models of minolta EP..as i remember MINOLTA EP510 it was the biggest piece of ......

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      • Shadow1
        Service Manager

        Site Contributor
        1,000+ Posts
        • Sep 2008
        • 1642

        #348
        Originally posted by ToshibaTech
        If someone ever asks you about a Binder Minder, don't even talk to them. Ever.
        After that, there's no way to ask this without sounding like a smartass, but what's a Binder Minder.
        73 DE W5SSJ

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        • mascan42
          Trusted Tech

          250+ Posts
          • Oct 2008
          • 481

          #349
          Originally posted by Shadow1
          After that, there's no way to ask this without sounding like a smartass, but what's a Binder Minder.
          If you've ever seen a Xerox Bookmark copier, with the sloped edge to the left of the glass and the floating platen cover hinges, a Binder Minder attaches to the top of a normal copier and makes it into a half-assed version of that. The point was to sell them to libraries to prevent the spine of the books from getting damaged.

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          • tweek65

            #350
            CF900

            first genation dig, color.pm every 10k at cost1500 bucks.Copies in between service calls 1000 if your lucky!!! And they are too heavy to throw!!!

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            • BLADE
              former propeller tester

              250+ Posts
              • Dec 2009
              • 478

              #351
              IRC6800

              a bit dodgy from a techs point of view, but even worse for the operator. A high speed box that ran at 7 cpm !!!. I did a call at a school doing the weekly newsletter on a monday, get another call on thursday and the machine is still on the same job...... guess thats why it was called the weekly newsletter

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              • Robert Sveinson
                Technician

                50+ Posts
                • May 2009
                • 55

                #352
                Originally posted by BLADE
                a bit dodgy from a techs point of view, but even worse for the operator. A high speed box that ran at 7 cpm !!!. I did a call at a school doing the weekly newsletter on a monday, get another call on thursday and the machine is still on the same job...... guess thats why it was called the weekly newsletter
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                or the WEAKLY news letter.

                Sounds like the one I worked on in high school, manual Gestetner!
                Manual! It is difficult to remember those dark days.

                Any body know what a HECTOGRAPH is?

                If hectograph is just a dream of mine, that would be good to
                know!!!!!!

                TTFN
                Robert

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                • Lagonda
                  Service Manager

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                  • Aug 2008
                  • 1649

                  #353
                  Dont know about Hectograph but I remember the purple ink that Fordograph used. Don't compain about todays generation glue sniffing, we were all getting high on spirit based inks!
                  At least 50% of IT is a solution looking for a problem.

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                  • Robert Sveinson
                    Technician

                    50+ Posts
                    • May 2009
                    • 55

                    #354
                    Originally posted by Lagonda
                    Dont know about Hectograph but I remember the purple ink that Fordograph used. Don't compain about todays generation glue sniffing, we were all getting high on spirit based inks!
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                    Does this work by the "teacher" writing or drawing onto a piece of (unknown) then pressing it onto a flat jelly substance
                    which absorbed the ink, paint or what ever the teacher made her
                    document with.
                    Then single sheets of blank paper were pressed onto this gel,
                    making purple copies of the coming test!

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                    • Shadow1
                      Service Manager

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                      • Sep 2008
                      • 1642

                      #355
                      Originally posted by Lagonda
                      Dont know about Hectograph but I remember the purple ink that Fordograph used. Don't compain about todays generation glue sniffing, we were all getting high on spirit based inks!
                      Not really fair - giving us a test printed with a substance that's gonna get us high as we take it... and they always told us to go back and double check our work when we were finished. Mid-terms were always 7 or 8 pages long and we were lucky to be able to walk across the room when we were done. It was like my generation's crack for third graders.

                      Who knows - I could have made Einstein's greatest works look like a Rube Goldberg experiment if I never encountered "Ditto" ink.
                      73 DE W5SSJ

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                      • SCREWTAPE
                        East Coast Imaging

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                        2,500+ Posts
                        • Jan 2009
                        • 3396

                        #356
                        For me it was the
                        iR4570 for jamming.
                        And the dreaded
                        iRc6800. Not tech friendly at all.

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                        • tech3105
                          Technician
                          • Jan 2010
                          • 11

                          #357
                          Most Pointless Piece of Crap

                          In my opinion the worst atrocity I ever serviced was the dreaded Ricoh Aficio 400. It was the first production model digital attempt by a company that went on to make some excellent b/w digital MFPs. Firstly...it wasn't even an MFP! Sure it was an incredibly unstable digital but there were NO connectivity options (print controller not released until the Aficio 401)! It was electrically/electronically flaky, mechanically unsound and rediculously unpredictable. Competing with an excellent mid-volume analog, the Ricoh 5535 and family, it was a joke. Poor grounding, crude firmware, touchy transfer belt unit, and the list continues from the jamming RADF on top to the crude, almost analog-style duplexor. All these factors combined with the fact that it did NOTHING more useful then its reliable analog contemporaries made me question why it was ever released as a production model. Junk junk junk!
                          (Next worse was the Aficio 1224 Color PukeMaster)
                          Cry Havok! And let slip the dogs of war...

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                          • Lagonda
                            Service Manager

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                            • Aug 2008
                            • 1649

                            #358
                            Originally posted by tech3105
                            In my opinion the worst atrocity I ever serviced was the dreaded Ricoh Aficio 400. It was the first production model digital attempt by a company that went on to make some excellent b/w digital MFPs. Firstly...it wasn't even an MFP! Sure it was an incredibly unstable digital but there were NO connectivity options (print controller not released until the Aficio 401)! It was electrically/electronically flaky, mechanically unsound and rediculously unpredictable. Competing with an excellent mid-volume analog, the Ricoh 5535 and family, it was a joke. Poor grounding, crude firmware, touchy transfer belt unit, and the list continues from the jamming RADF on top to the crude, almost analog-style duplexor. All these factors combined with the fact that it did NOTHING more useful then its reliable analog contemporaries made me question why it was ever released as a production model. Junk junk junk!
                            (Next worse was the Aficio 1224 Color PukeMaster)
                            Ah, come on, they wern't that bad! Granted the IPU board used to fail
                            regularly, the un-lubed fuser jammed non stop and the duplex came out of the Ark, but they ran clean!!! You rarely had to take a vacuum to them, any copier that doesnt spit a cloud of toner at you the moment you open the front cover is pretty good in my book.
                            At least 50% of IT is a solution looking for a problem.

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                            • tech3105
                              Technician
                              • Jan 2010
                              • 11

                              #359
                              Originally posted by Lagonda
                              Ah, come on, they wern't that bad! Granted the IPU board used to fail
                              regularly, the un-lubed fuser jammed non stop and the duplex came out of the Ark, but they ran clean!!! You rarely had to take a vacuum to them, any copier that doesnt spit a cloud of toner at you the moment you open the front cover is pretty good in my book.

                              The nightmares...the nightmares!!!
                              Yes, they WERE clean!
                              Cry Havok! And let slip the dogs of war...

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                              • Shadow1
                                Service Manager

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                                • Sep 2008
                                • 1642

                                #360
                                Originally posted by tech3105
                                The nightmares...the nightmares!!!
                                Yes, they WERE clean!
                                Is it possible to clean a turd?

                                Besides these weren't bad - just odd. The 1224c and MP3500 - MP5000 on the other hand...
                                73 DE W5SSJ

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