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  • Dominador
    Junior Member
    • Mar 2025
    • 8

    #1

    KM BizHub 423 - Grinding Noise leading to auto-shutoff

    I am new to copier maintenance. I bought a KM BizHub 423 about 10 years ago, gently used. It was regularly serviced by a professional, but during COVID my business sector went mostly digital, and the copier ended up getting little to no use. The copier has not been professionally serviced since about 2021. It has about 300000 "miles" on it.

    About two years ago, it started saying that I needed to replace the drum and developer. I used Youtube videos to figure out what to do, bought the parts, and replaced the developer unit, developer, and drum. After that, ran fine-albeit with light use-from about late 2022 or early 2023 to now.

    I recently had a couple of now-rare, and unusually large (probably close to 10000 pages each), copy jobs. About two months later the copier started making a grinding noise when it is printing. It does this both when making copies and when printing documents, so I am sure it does not have anything to do with the ADF or the copier parts.

    It did this for about a week. I poked around it, and started directing even small print jobs to another printer in the office. About four days ago, the printer control panel started saying something like "replenishing toner" while making that same grinding noise. It will do this for a minute or two and eventually shut off its own power.

    The noise sounds like it is coming from directly above the top paper tray. When I imagine it in my head, it sounds like something fell into some set of gears.

    I opened up plastic cover where the copies are accumulated to see whether I could narrow that down some. Nothing seemed out of place, hot, broken. There were no shavings, lubricant, or anything that I would consider were signs of improper mechanical wear.

    I pulled the toner drawer out to see whether that was the part grinding. The exact same sound remained. It appears to be coming from under the area where the toner drawer slides into place.

    What should I look at next? Also, is this copier worthy of rescue if it needs repairs? It has been very good to me over the years.
  • Ziggy
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    • Feb 2018
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    #2
    I'm personally not a fan of this model . Another thing to think about this machine hit end of life 09/2024. With that being said I wouldn't put any money in to it

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    • Synthohol
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      • Mar 2016
      • 5735

      #3
      its probably either the fuser is kaput or toner bottle motor maybe.
      can you record the noise and post it?
      We know a thing or two because we've seen a thing or two.
      The medication helps though...

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      • copyman
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        • Sep 2005
        • 4519

        #4
        The noise is from toner btl drive assembly or toner bottle in wrong. Very common issue. The gear(s) that turn bottle break.
        Try this, remove toner btl and run the machine. If no noise wait until machine stops and put toner btl in with hole facing up at 12 oclock position. If still noise with btl out then the gear(s) broken inside toner btl drive assembly. See attached bulletin. The toner btl drive assy unit isn't that hard to replace. Get the service manual and follow step by step instructions. If you make a small donation to this website myself or someone will send you the service manual.
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        • Dominador
          Junior Member
          • Mar 2025
          • 8

          #5
          Thank you all for posting! Before I got responses, and because of my nearly uncontrollable need to know what is going on, I had already done some of the troubleshooting that I needed to do. I took a pic of the part that is making the noise, attached.

          One of the photos is just the zoomed in version of the other. I circled the (badly lit) area showing the pinion that seems to be making the most noise. I can force the gears to move, but there is a lot of resistance. The seem to move some sort of conveyor belt underneath the hole where the toner bottle dumps into the rest of the machine (the fuser?). If I move it enough, it will then make about three or four copies before it starts making the grinding noise again.

          Given the general combination of responses from all of you, I am thinking I will try to get out of this cheaply with a DIY remedy, after I send a small donation per copyman's recommendation.

          Also, note to all: I know that there's a ton of loose toner in there. I managed to spill it while trying to figure out how everything worked under there. I need to bring a vacuum from home so that I don't end up spreading it all over the office.
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          • copyman
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            • Sep 2005
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            #6
            You are on the right track. They are the toner hopper gears. Not the gears in bulletin I posted but check them when you have apart.

            Be careful using regular vacuum to pick up toner, the toner will blow right through most vac filters because of toner being such a fine particle. Also toner has static and there have been cases of household vacs blowing up from static discharge!

            Let us know if you need service & parts manuals
            Last edited by copyman; 3 weeks ago.

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            • Hansoon
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              • Sep 2007
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              #7
              Originally posted by Ziggy
              I'm personally not a fan of this model . Another thing to think about this machine hit end of life 09/2024. With that being said I wouldn't put any money in to it
              It's the best BW A3-MFP, for me, EVER!
              Word any money to invest in it, even after market parts.
              For the consumables, toner & developer, perhaps better OEM.
              All the rest after market. We are doing it since day one of these machines
              and are still having loads in the field.

              😀

              Hans
              “ Sent from my Intel 80286 using MS-DOS 2.0 “
              https://www.copytechnet.com/images/smilies/biggrin.png

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              • Dominador
                Junior Member
                • Mar 2025
                • 8

                #8
                Yet further confirmation to maybe try a DIY repair on this old copier of mine!

                Speaking of which, I have another DIY question before I start this endeavor. It's left over from my days taking apart old CRT TV sets.

                While I understand generally what is going on in a laser printer (which is what this really is at its heart), there is a lot more in this machine than just a laser printer.

                My question to you all: is there a big old, heart-stopping capacitor (or some other life-threatening part) in there that I should be worried about when I start messing around in this copier's guts?

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                • copyman
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                  • Sep 2005
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Dominador
                  Yet further confirmation to maybe try a DIY repair on this old copier of mine!

                  Speaking of which, I have another DIY question before I start this endeavor. It's left over from my days taking apart old CRT TV sets.

                  While I understand generally what is going on in a laser printer (which is what this really is at its heart), there is a lot more in this machine than just a laser printer.

                  My question to you all: is there a big old, heart-stopping capacitor (or some other life-threatening part) in there that I should be worried about when I start messing around in this copier's guts?
                  As long as machine is unplugged it is safe. I still have habit to avoid touching any caps on pwr supply in case of residual voltage. Not like the old TV's and the dangerous capacitor.

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                  • Synthohol
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                    • Mar 2016
                    • 5735

                    #10
                    ive never gotten zapped from an unplugged copier.
                    i have flew across a room with the help of 700+V from the hv i leaned my forearm against, but that was a running machine.
                    i was testing voltages and boy did i find some.
                    We know a thing or two because we've seen a thing or two.
                    The medication helps though...

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                    • Dominador
                      Junior Member
                      • Mar 2025
                      • 8

                      #11
                      Then I shall begin surgery this weekend!

                      Hansoon, I just noticed your signature line! I built a 286 in 1991. It was already obsolete but I didn't have the money for a 386, much less a 486, which was pretty new at the time.

                      I was doing side work for the father of an ex-girlfriend at the time (he had recently left the employ of IBM and started his own IT company). I took a copy of his Computer Shopper magazine and spent a week pricing out and ordering parts. He let me plunder his stash of retired equipment to keep costs down, so I got a hard disk and a VGA card out of an old XT clone. It turned out that the VGA card had a bunch of unused memory sockets and I was able to load that up cheaper than buying a 386/33 system. The AT had a "turbo" button that made it run at the blistering speed of 12 MHz. All the memory on the VGA card made it run games nearly as well as a 386.

                      I used that AT for nearly all of college, upgrading to a 486/66 just before I graduated. In retrospect, I wish I kept it because it had a bunch of fun games on it, including one of my all-time favorites: Descent.

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                      • femaster
                        Service Manager

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                        • May 2011
                        • 1458

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Dominador
                        I used that AT for nearly all of college, upgrading to a 486/66 just before I graduated. In retrospect, I wish I kept it because it had a bunch of fun games on it, including one of my all-time favorites: Descent.
                        A bit off topic, but...
                        You must have heard of the Internet Archive? Go ahead, play that old game! It must be one of these I'm assuming:

                        MS-DOS: Descent Anniversary Edition by (1996)Developed byParallax Software Corp.PlatformDOSPublished byInterplay Entertainment Corp.ReleasedMar 13,...



                        There are a few other options there as well...
                        A Ricoh Service Tech for 7 year. A Konica Minolta Service Tech for 7 years. Now, KM service manager for 4 years.
                        My Ricoh knowledge is slowly dwindling away at this point. Many things have been lost to time...

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                        • Dominador
                          Junior Member
                          • Mar 2025
                          • 8

                          #13
                          Originally posted by femaster

                          A bit off topic, but...
                          You must have heard of the Internet Archive? Go ahead, play that old game! It must be one of these I'm assuming:

                          MS-DOS: Descent Anniversary Edition by (1996)Developed byParallax Software Corp.PlatformDOSPublished byInterplay Entertainment Corp.ReleasedMar 13,...



                          There are a few other options there as well...
                          https://archive.org/details/software...&query=descent
                          When I get a few free minutes I'm going to check those out!

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