Which copier was the biggest piece of crap ever?

[linuxxpwin]

I do think this belongs here, but my most troublesome machine of all time for xerox was the xerox 3030 engineering. This machine arrived brand new from xerox for a customer, machine arrived I set it up, and voila blank copies. Lol

Well we tried everything, we called xerox, they had me run test electrical, all tested fine, check for charge, yes, look inside machine when copying see if charge wire comes on, guess what yes it did came on.

Well knowing xerox, they send us a new one, setup and boom bam all good. So what about the first one. Well they said we can use it for parts, really! Yes really!

Well I decided that man build this machine there man can fix it, I spend a great deal of time diagnosing, until I remove the scorotron assembly, and dissasemble the unit, and what do you know, a hairline crack on the plastic housing, arcing or grounding to the unit frame, scratched it away use some epoxy fill it up let it dry hard sand to smooth it off and I can tell it has been 4 years since that machine is working never replaced a thing on it except rollers, toners and developer.

[linuxxpwin]

Canon NP6016, GP55, IRC6800, Toshiba BD8812.

Hey I like those irc6800, challenging yes, but I do have fun fixing it.

[linuxxpwin]

For me it would the Gestetner duplicators especially those with the rotary handles and did not improve much with digital, the only thing is I still have to work on them as I post this blog.

To me those are my nightmares.

Canon NP6016, GP55, IRC6800, Toshiba BD8812.

[slybot]

The LFA (Lens Fiber Array) was the device (pre laser) which focused the image of the original on the drum. It was appr 1" deep, by 11" long. Basically, it was a series of glass tubes embedded in plastic. The ends of the tubes soiled quickly as the device was located close to the development area.

The NP 120 might have come first...this goes back 20 yrs. You are correct, the NP 120 used pressure only (and i mean a LOT of pressure) for fusing, and produced a very shiny copy regardless of stock. I remember trying to explain why a customers raised letterhead was no longer raised after copying.

ah yes i remember now. the mita cc10, cc20 dc111 etc had this. oki have/had it still on their okifax 1050 and printers etc. lot easier to clean than bloody laser units if they were easy to get to

[ryanb]

Amen bushcrafter, for us the 1224/1232 were the BIGGEST pieces of crap ever! we only sold 2 of them, then pulled them and had to roll our customers back to 3800's cuz they were all we had available at the time.

Konica c10X & C20X

[bushcrafter]

I'd say the RTicoh AP3800 / CL7100's are the worst I've ever seen. Don't even get me started on the toner delivery and recycling system. These were closely followed by the Aficio 1224/1232C.

Agree the IR C3100 series were awful, I'd add the IR C2620 too and not to forget the Toshiba 3511/4511

Yes Yes Savin 840.

LOL!
I also don't know if anyone nominated my choice. I nominate the Savin 840. It was a VERY small, moving platen, liquid toner copier. (Yes, a personal copier with a gallon of liquid ink, what could go wrong?) In additon to being a general P.I.T.A. to work on, every call was a "dry start" that would destroy the drum. The Savin 840 was the founder of the "drum of the month club". Liquid copiers were good because of the heavy volume that they ran. SOHO users would run only enough copies to ensure that the toner fused the drum to the blade and when it powered on, CRUNCH! Another drum bites the dust! Of course since they were so small, people would try to carry them around and leave permanant trails of toner everywhere.
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YES, the Savin 840. in '84 i started in the business and Savin liquids. I had the "pleasure" of meeting one of the design architects on the 840 in our shop as I was rebuilding one. Very simple unit, that caused lots of grief. He was proud of the box. I then told him about 10 horror stories in 10 minutes. He was definately a design it, make it, don't bother testing it kind of guy...

[cccjjn]

We were bit so bad by the 7020 series that we dropped Konica so I never had the pleasure of working on the 7145.

It wasn't so much that they were difficult to work on it was that they were so un-reliable. We were a dual line dealer with Ricoh at the time and the Ricoh machines were requiring half the number of service calls. The cost of the Konica parts was also rediculous compared to the Ricoh of the day.

[mrwho]

I know of many digitals that were worse than the Konica 7020 series. Take the Konica 7145, for example..........

Although I agree the feeding system of those machines are utter crap, if it wasn't for that I would enjoy working with the 7020 family (and I include the 7145 - I don't think it's better or worse than the 7020 really).

[ddude]

Worst Analog: Konica 2020

Far and away the worst Digital and the worst overall: Konica 7020 We sold a bunch of them and not a single one of them ran. 10,000 copies out of the box every one of them $hit the bed. If it wasn't the Fuser it was the process unit, if it wasn't that it was the door latches, if it wasn't that the double feeds had flat spots in them and on and on and on. We ultimately dumped Konica because of that product.

I know of many digitals that were worse than the Konica 7020 series. Take the Konica 7145, for example..........

[cccjjn]

Worst Analog: Konica 2020

Far and away the worst Digital and the worst overall: Konica 7020 We sold a bunch of them and not a single one of them ran. 10,000 copies out of the box every one of them $hit the bed. If it wasn't the Fuser it was the process unit, if it wasn't that it was the door latches, if it wasn't that the double feeds had flat spots in them and on and on and on. We ultimately dumped Konica because of that product.

Any of the liquid toner Savin's. I started in copier repair with this black pee-ing bastards. You could always tell an office that had one.....black toner stains on the carpet (at least not on the dress).