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  • mascan42
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    • Oct 2008
    • 471

    C454e "TPM chip has been changed"

    After replacing the SSDB for a constant rebooting problem, the machine asked to re-input the serial number - I had lost all info including the meters. I entered the serial # and a couple of other settings in the service mode - enabled the HDD, fixed the unit change settings - and rebooted. Now I get the message "TPM chip has been changed. Initialize TPM settings." Could I have missed a step or done something to mess this up? I only ask because I didn't get the message immediately, only after changing settings.
  • Zesti
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    250+ Posts
    • Jun 2009
    • 308

    #2
    Re: C454e "TPM chip has been changed"

    Have you consulted SM???
    There are steps for TPM..

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    • mascan42
      Trusted Tech

      250+ Posts
      • Oct 2008
      • 471

      #3
      Re: C454e "TPM chip has been changed"

      Originally posted by Zesti
      Have you consulted SM???
      There are steps for TPM..
      I have it. They want me to replace the SSDB again. I just want to know if I caused this somehow by missing a step in my settings.

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      • Synthohol
        Certified Konica Expert

        Site Contributor
        5,000+ Posts
        • Mar 2016
        • 5463

        #4
        Re: C454e "TPM chip has been changed"

        did you select "backup engine data" BEFORE changing the SSDB? then choose restore after its 3rd reboot?
        We know a thing or two because we've seen a thing or two.
        The medication helps though...

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        • mascan42
          Trusted Tech

          250+ Posts
          • Oct 2008
          • 471

          #5
          Re: C454e "TPM chip has been changed"

          Originally posted by Synthohol
          did you select "backup engine data" BEFORE changing the SSDB? then choose restore after its 3rd reboot?
          It wouldn't boot up, and I couldn't get into service mode. Just constant power cycling every 30 seconds.

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          • jwai
            Trusted Tech

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            • May 2018
            • 497

            #6
            Re: C454e "TPM chip has been changed"

            My experience is, replace both SSD and MFP, solved.

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            • srvctec
              Former KM Senior Tech

              500+ Posts
              • Oct 2009
              • 827

              #7
              Re: C454e "TPM chip has been changed"

              Also, there is a F/W update to GHV-M1 for here in the states that KM basically says HAS to be installed to prevent the TPM issue. The sad thing is the F/W came out over a year ago but all it said was to install to prevent loss of data. But it said to install the F/W on the next service call. Doesn't sound too serious, right? Fast forward to a few weeks ago and they FINALLY gave details on why this F/W must be installed on all 4e series machines (except the top two largest in the whole series, C/654e & C/754e). We've been getting more serious about installing the F/W since they actually gave details on what could happen.

              IMO, this should have been one of those things they paid us to do because if you get the TPM message, it's a RPIA to get the machine back up and running according to KBA00048704. Of course, now when I try to find that KB article, it's not there.

              Here are the details from it, that I have saved from the Solutions.

              Problem
              The MFP (bizhub 4e series) will suddenly lose it's meters and serial number
              Note: The following messages will be shown and will not clear:
              "TPM Chip has been changed"
              "Only black and white printing is possible."
              "Fax is currently unavailable"
              "Banner Print Job in Queue"

              Solution
              CAUSE: Issue will occur after turning off the machine for a while specially after the weekend.
              SOLUTION:
              1. Have a new, unused SSDB, but do not install it yet.
              2. Order a new MFP Board
              3. Flash the MFPB with the Reset Tool 3 Times total with the old SSD Board.
              4. Once the 3rd flash of the MFPB says complete, turn off the MFP (DO NOT REBOOT).
              5. Install the new SSDB.
              6. Insert firmware stick with (latest base firmware) and turn the MFP on.
              7. When the firmware screen comes up check/correct Machine and Type, then flash firmware.
              8. After firmware has loaded, turn on the MFP normally.
              9. You may or may not get a CD390, Allow the MFP to perform it's recovery process if the CD390
              occurs.
              10.When the machine comes up, it should behave like a brand new machine again and will need serial
              number entered.
              11. In some cases, the entire install process may need to be done (security lines might occur.)
              12.Install the preventive firmware GHVM1

              The original technical bulletin is 11472.
              Started in the copier service business in the fall of 1988 and worked at the same company for 33.5 years, becoming the senior tech in 2004 but left to pursue another career on 4/29/22.

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              • mascan42
                Trusted Tech

                250+ Posts
                • Oct 2008
                • 471

                #8
                Re: C454e "TPM chip has been changed"

                Originally posted by srvctec
                Also, there is a F/W update to GHV-M1 for here in the states that KM basically says HAS to be installed to prevent the TPM issue. The sad thing is the F/W came out over a year ago but all it said was to install to prevent loss of data. But it said to install the F/W on the next service call. Doesn't sound too serious, right? Fast forward to a few weeks ago and they FINALLY gave details on why this F/W must be installed on all 4e series machines (except the top two largest in the whole series, C/654e & C/754e). We've been getting more serious about installing the F/W since they actually gave details on what could happen.

                IMO, this should have been one of those things they paid us to do because if you get the TPM message, it's a RPIA to get the machine back up and running according to KBA00048704. Of course, now when I try to find that KB article, it's not there.

                Here are the details from it, that I have saved from the Solutions.

                Problem
                The MFP (bizhub 4e series) will suddenly lose it's meters and serial number
                Note: The following messages will be shown and will not clear:
                "TPM Chip has been changed"
                "Only black and white printing is possible."
                "Fax is currently unavailable"
                "Banner Print Job in Queue"

                Solution
                CAUSE: Issue will occur after turning off the machine for a while specially after the weekend.
                SOLUTION:
                1. Have a new, unused SSDB, but do not install it yet.
                2. Order a new MFP Board
                3. Flash the MFPB with the Reset Tool 3 Times total with the old SSD Board.
                4. Once the 3rd flash of the MFPB says complete, turn off the MFP (DO NOT REBOOT).
                5. Install the new SSDB.
                6. Insert firmware stick with (latest base firmware) and turn the MFP on.
                7. When the firmware screen comes up check/correct Machine and Type, then flash firmware.
                8. After firmware has loaded, turn on the MFP normally.
                9. You may or may not get a CD390, Allow the MFP to perform it's recovery process if the CD390
                occurs.
                10.When the machine comes up, it should behave like a brand new machine again and will need serial
                number entered.
                11. In some cases, the entire install process may need to be done (security lines might occur.)
                12.Install the preventive firmware GHVM1

                The original technical bulletin is 11472.
                I have this bulletin also, but it doesn't say at what point I'm supposed to replace the MFPB, it just says to order one.

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                • srvctec
                  Former KM Senior Tech

                  500+ Posts
                  • Oct 2009
                  • 827

                  #9
                  Re: C454e "TPM chip has been changed"

                  What's REALLY suspicious about this whole GHV-M1 F/W thing is that now the only thing I can find about it is the original bulletin 11472. Konica Minolta seems to have deleted all the other info about this from all solutions files for the 4e series. I just downloaded the latest ones and the above info I posted is not in them. They update these on a daily basis or as new info is available, so why did they delete all of the info I posted above? Is it no longer viable? Was it a giant screw up on their part? Do we really need to put this special F/W on every 4e machine ASAP?

                  A few weeks ago, I emailed them about the solutions file being confusing since it mentions the C/654e & C/754e machines also needing the GHV-M1 update but there is no GHV-M1 F/W for these models on their site and never has been. Fast forward to yesterday when I was trying to find the info to post here and it's gone. I'm not trained on these models, so I can't just call them up and ask what the deal is. Also, we've never had this issue happen yet. Something really fishy is going on here, IMO.

                  Sorry, didn't mean to hijack your thread, mascan42.
                  Started in the copier service business in the fall of 1988 and worked at the same company for 33.5 years, becoming the senior tech in 2004 but left to pursue another career on 4/29/22.

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                  • tsbservice
                    Field tech

                    Site Contributor
                    5,000+ Posts
                    • May 2007
                    • 7635

                    #10
                    Re: C454e "TPM chip has been changed"

                    Originally posted by srvctec
                    What's REALLY suspicious about this whole GHV-M1 F/W thing is that now the only thing I can find about it is the original bulletin 11472. Konica Minolta seems to have deleted all the other info about this from all solutions files for the 4e series. I just downloaded the latest ones and the above info I posted is not in them. They update these on a daily basis or as new info is available, so why did they delete all of the info I posted above? Is it no longer viable? Was it a giant screw up on their part? Do we really need to put this special F/W on every 4e machine ASAP?

                    A few weeks ago, I emailed them about the solutions file being confusing since it mentions the C/654e & C/754e machines also needing the GHV-M1 update but there is no GHV-M1 F/W for these models on their site and never has been. Fast forward to yesterday when I was trying to find the info to post here and it's gone. I'm not trained on these models, so I can't just call them up and ask what the deal is. Also, we've never had this issue happen yet. Something really fishy is going on here, IMO.

                    Sorry, didn't mean to hijack your thread, mascan42.
                    Yes this article is missing now. And even more, now there is no mention to install this FW on next visit in the FW related doc.
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                    • srvctec
                      Former KM Senior Tech

                      500+ Posts
                      • Oct 2009
                      • 827

                      #11
                      Re: C454e "TPM chip has been changed"

                      Originally posted by tsbservice
                      Yes this article is missing now. And even more, now there is no mention to install this FW on next visit in the FW related doc.
                      What a frickin' waste of time we've spent on this lately. I sure wish KM would pull their heads out of their collective asses!!
                      Started in the copier service business in the fall of 1988 and worked at the same company for 33.5 years, becoming the senior tech in 2004 but left to pursue another career on 4/29/22.

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                      • Jumping Jack Flash
                        Technician
                        • Jul 2009
                        • 60

                        #12
                        Re: C454e "TPM chip has been changed"

                        Originally posted by srvctec
                        What a frickin' waste of time we've spent on this lately. I sure wish KM would pull their heads out of their collective asses!!
                        Unfortunately, it is hard to find this FW, but it is available for download.
                        Recently I fought C654e on a panel with 2 pillars.
                        It's a good idea to start your device without HDD first.
                        Your procedure is very good.
                        A5C10Y0-F000-GHV-M1-960-CHECKSUM-c5cb.ZIP
                        A5C10Y0-F000-GHV-M1-990-CHECKSUM-c143.ZIP

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                        • srvctec
                          Former KM Senior Tech

                          500+ Posts
                          • Oct 2009
                          • 827

                          #13
                          Re: C454e "TPM chip has been changed"

                          Well, NOW KM decided to put up KBA00048704 again but it's been revised. WTF!!??

                          Related Products:bizhub 284e,bizhub 224e,bizhub 364e,bizhub 454e,bizhub 554e,bizhub 654e,bizhub 754e,bizhub C224e,bizhub C284e,bizhub C364e,bizhub C454e,bizhub C554e,bizhub C654e,bizhub C754e

                          Problem

                          The MFP (bizhub 4e series) will suddenly lose it's meters and serial number
                          Note: The following messages will be shown and will not clear:
                          • "TPM Chip has been changed"
                          • "Only black and white printing is possible."
                          • "Fax is currently unavailable"
                          • "Banner Print Job in Queue"



                          Solution

                          CAUSE: Issue will occur after powering OFF the MFP for a while specially after the weekend.

                          SOLUTION: Perform the steps below.
                          1. Install the MFP Board if the board is a repaired board run the Reset Tar file 3 times on the MFPB
                          2. Once the third Data initialization is complete Power Down the main power and wait 20 seconds
                          3. Insert firmware stick with (latest Special firmware) and turn the MFP on
                          4. When the firmware screen comes up check/correct Machine and Type, then flash firmware.
                          5. After firmware has loaded, power down machine remove USB and power machine back on.
                          6. Allow the MFP to perform it's recovery process if the CD390 occurs recover data.
                          7. On reboot if the TPM chip has been changed message happens order a New SSD board through Warranty FOC program.
                          8. Install new SSD Board and flash machine with latest special firmware
                          9. Power ON machine and test all functions

                          Note: Please follow the READMe has specific instructions on "How to update the firmware.pdf". The latest version firmware is available for download via One Stop Product Support.




                          No mention of F/W GHV-M1 whatsoever. Again, WTF!!??
                          Started in the copier service business in the fall of 1988 and worked at the same company for 33.5 years, becoming the senior tech in 2004 but left to pursue another career on 4/29/22.

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                          • Bix
                            Service Manager

                            1,000+ Posts
                            • Apr 2018
                            • 1421

                            #14
                            Re: C454e "TPM chip has been changed"

                            Do you know the firmware that caused this?
                            Is it better to leave it out of date or upgrade to the special version?


                            I am currently upgrading to G20-M1 in routine maintenance and this would not be nice.

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                            • srvctec
                              Former KM Senior Tech

                              500+ Posts
                              • Oct 2009
                              • 827

                              #15
                              Re: C454e "TPM chip has been changed"

                              Originally posted by Bix
                              Do you know the firmware that caused this?
                              Is it better to leave it out of date or upgrade to the special version?


                              I am currently upgrading to G20-M1 in routine maintenance and this would not be nice.
                              No idea what needs to be done at this point since KM is being so completely vague about the whole GHV-M1 F/W now- (quoted from my previous post): "8. Install new SSD Board and flash machine with latest special firmware". Why in the heck would we flash with the latest special F/W when EACH special F/W is designed to fix a specific issue????!!

                              But the bulletin 11472 is still available so KM needs to get their act together and let us know EXACTLY what they want done. It's like 5 different dudes are working on this and not one of them talked to any of the others before putting out the info.


                              I just downloaded this directly from KM a few minutes ago and it still matches the one I downloaded a year ago.


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                              Started in the copier service business in the fall of 1988 and worked at the same company for 33.5 years, becoming the senior tech in 2004 but left to pursue another career on 4/29/22.

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