Konica Minolta (bizhub C364) white line problem

Collapse
X
 
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • Jezzzz
    Junior Member
    • May 2024
    • 6

    #1

    Konica Minolta (bizhub C364) white line problem

    I have encountered this problem, before I printed 3,000 (2-sided) copies of flyers. After that, we checked the output through an administrative test for gradation. I found out it has a white line in Cyan, Magenta, and the worst one in the Black. I checked the Transfer Belt, and it's all good.

    Thanks in advance.
    You do not have permission to view this gallery.
    This gallery has 3 photos.
    Last edited by Jezzzz; 05-17-2024, 08:10 AM.
  • copytechtrouble
    Trusted Tech

    100+ Posts
    • Nov 2020
    • 107

    #2
    have you cleaned the laser unit? what's the life on the drum and dev units?

    Comment

    • Zesti
      Trusted Tech

      250+ Posts
      • Jun 2009
      • 308

      #3
      What paper size is used and which direction. I beleive its transfer belt. Your K dv unit also needes replacement.

      Comment

      • Jezzzz
        Junior Member
        • May 2024
        • 6

        #4
        Originally posted by copytechtrouble
        have you cleaned the laser unit? what's the life on the drum and dev units?
        I clean with a cleaning stick included in the machine, and after that, I try it. It reduces the white lines. Should I disassemble the whole machine to clean the glass, and should i use a solution to clean it?

        I recently used this method on the development unit. https://streamable.com/gtux2h same output result persists. The drum unit (K) exhibits a black line, while the Magenta and Cyan units show a small toner stain. Should I clean this?

        Thanks for helping.
        Attached Files

        Comment

        • Jezzzz
          Junior Member
          • May 2024
          • 6

          #5
          Originally posted by Zesti
          What paper size is used and which direction. I beleive its transfer belt. Your K dv unit also needes replacement.
          Size : 12in x 18in
          Orientation : Landscape

          and here's the status of the transfer belt https://streamable.com/w465am

          Thanks for helping.

          Comment

          • rrrohan
            Service Manager

            Site Contributor
            1,000+ Posts
            • Sep 2011
            • 1977

            #6
            its about 15 min job to remove Laser/Print Head and being able to clean it with a cloth is so much better than a wand

            i never use product as it should only be toner/dev so wiping with cloth is enough

            black looks like it needs a new dev unit

            Comment

            • Don N.
              Trusted Tech

              250+ Posts
              • Nov 2011
              • 409

              #7
              You could try cleaning the mag roller on the K dv unit with a dry lint free cloth. Developer is available to dump it and replace IF THE UNIT HAS A LOW PAGE COUNT, but its not that expensive to just replace the whole dv512k unit. Did you say how many pages are made on the K dv unit? Also a few lines look like could be the fuser. Can you rub off toner where the worse lines are?
              I'm betting your K drum is old. The cleaning blade on your transfer belt could be replaced very cheaply and easily.
              You could take the chip from the C drum, which looks the best of all, swap with the k drum chip and test with those two drums swapped. The drums are exactly the same except the chips must be either color or K. Do not just reset the drums with new chips. If the drums spin by hand very easily, the cleaning blades are shot. Old drums do not discharge well. Residual charge will cause uneven copies depending on the densities you are copying. You will end up pulling developer. Lastly, the seals on all of your 4 series dv units are almost certainly allowing dust to coat the charge grids. Unless you do new seals, all of your efforts will be short lived. You need to go full in on fixing all of the above, or just put the money into a newer machine. The 8 series drum charge system is vastly superior.
              Last edited by Don N.; 05-17-2024, 02:24 PM.

              Comment

              • kingarthur
                Service Manager

                1,000+ Posts
                • Feb 2008
                • 1356

                #8
                When I remove the laser assy, I normally wipe the glass with a small amount of isopropyl alcohol, but make sure you wipe it with a clean cloth after. However I'd also remove the drum and dev units, to make sure that they aren't dropping dev/toner - maybe replace any of the units over life. Check any filters too. Remove the units with the laser out, or before you remove it - otherwise any loose toner/dev will only fall down onto the nice clean laser
                Tip for the day; Treat every problem as your dog would.....If you cant eat it or f*ck it....then p*ss on it & walk away...

                Comment

                • copytechtrouble
                  Trusted Tech

                  100+ Posts
                  • Nov 2020
                  • 107

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Jezzzz

                  Size : 12in x 18in
                  Orientation : Landscape

                  and here's the status of the transfer belt https://streamable.com/w465am

                  Thanks for helping.
                  the belt looks to have lines. remove and clean the blade and empty the waste buildup.

                  Comment

                  • Ziggy
                    Senior Tech

                    Site Contributor
                    VIP Subscriber
                    500+ Posts
                    • Feb 2018
                    • 732

                    #10
                    What is the count on the transfer roller in the door?

                    Comment

                    • Zesti
                      Trusted Tech

                      250+ Posts
                      • Jun 2009
                      • 308

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Jezzzz

                      Size : 12in x 18in
                      Orientation : Landscape

                      and here's the status of the transfer belt https://streamable.com/w465am

                      Thanks for helping.
                      I can see same lines on belt. The lines are on all colors so PH ubit is out of question. Its either belt or transfer roller.

                      Comment

                      • blackcat4866
                        Master Of The Obvious

                        Site Contributor
                        10,000+ Posts
                        • Jul 2007
                        • 23008

                        #12
                        I'm agreeing with Don. Clearly you've got a black developing issue. At this stage, I think it's not recoverable without replacing the black developing unit. Before you start buying parts, confirm that it's Genuine KM black toner. If it's not, your issue will return soon.

                        The lesser issue: the white lines in the feed direction can be a secondary transfer issue (roller) or fuser belt ... I suspect both. When a primary transfer belt cleaning issue occurs, it tends to contaminate ALL the laser slit glasses in exactly the same area, but not in a thin line. It's usually a wide spray of toner that's clearly obvious upon examination.

                        I'll be interested in what you observe. =^..^=
                        If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
                        1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
                        2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
                        3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
                        4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
                        5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

                        blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

                        Comment

                        • REGSIS
                          Trusted Tech

                          250+ Posts
                          • May 2016
                          • 435

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Jezzzz
                          I have encountered this problem, before I printed 3,000 (2-sided) copies of flyers. After that, we checked the output through an administrative test for gradation. I found out it has a white line in Cyan, Magenta, and the worst one in the Black. I checked the Transfer Belt, and it's all good.

                          Thanks in advance.
                          I would start with new OEM black drum unit, and check output again. That should sort out horizontal lines.
                          You may need to replace Dev unit K depending on the output. I'm not sure about vertical white lines on all colours. Maybe a transfer belt/roller issue.

                          Regarding the white lines in general (not from this topic), using some of non OEM toners may dust on charge grid. This will result in white lines on full tone output or line of particular color on white background.
                          I had this problem also with KM OEM toners labeled S or A which are also aftermarke in fact.
                          After many drum unit cleaning (problem came back after 200-300 printouts everytime) I ended up with vacuuming toner hopper and replacing new OEM toner, and new Dev unit.

                          Also had white line without dusted charger. New drum was the solution. There was no visible defect either on drum nor on dev unit. Drum had about 70k.

                          Comment

                          • Synthohol
                            Certified Konica Expert

                            Site Contributor
                            5,000+ Posts
                            • Mar 2016
                            • 5824

                            #14
                            even a small amount of toner/DV in any of the DV unit gears or the coupling in the copier can cause the mag roller to oscillate like an oval and give that impression.
                            just a thought
                            hope its that simple.
                            also your belt is ready to be a doorstop imho.
                            We know a thing or two because we've seen a thing or two.
                            The medication helps though...

                            Comment

                            • ninadobrev
                              Technician
                              • Jul 2023
                              • 18

                              #15
                              Originally posted by copytechtrouble
                              have you cleaned the laser unit? what's the life on the drum and dev units? Sprunki Mod
                              Cleaning the laser unit and maintaining components such as the printer drum and developer are important to ensure their performance and prolong their life.

                              Comment

                              Working...