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  • rafwagon
    Junior Member
    • Mar 2019
    • 8

    #1

    conistent lines in cyan over whole page

    KM C7000
    I'm getting lines in cyan for over a week now. Always the same, identical lines. Only in cyan. Even after 1000 prints, nothing changes.

    Drums have been swapped,
    Developer (and unit) renewed.
    Even the laser has been checked for foreign material.

    edit: coronas also swapped, and the glass too

    Has anyone ever seen this? How do i fix this?
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  • Synthohol
    Certified Konica Expert

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    5,000+ Posts
    • Mar 2016
    • 5735

    #2
    did you swap corona units?
    We know a thing or two because we've seen a thing or two.
    The medication helps though...

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    • rafwagon
      Junior Member
      • Mar 2019
      • 8

      #3
      yes. coronas have been swapped too.

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      • blackcat4866
        Master Of The Obvious

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        10,000+ Posts
        • Jul 2007
        • 22930

        #4
        Always cyan, and no other color?
        If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
        1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
        2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
        3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
        4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
        5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

        blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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        • Ziggy
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          • Feb 2018
          • 680

          #5
          swap the magenta and cyan developer units for testing. Just make sure to put tape over the toner supply hole on each developer unit and leave toner door open. Then run what would be a magenta test print and it will come out cyan. If it looks bad then chances are you have a bad developer unit. If cyan looks good then run what would be a cyan test print and it will come out magenta if it comes out bad then you have something in the cyan channel bad, only run one or two test prints.

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          • rafwagon
            Junior Member
            • Mar 2019
            • 8

            #6
            Always Cyan, has been cyan from the beginning.

            Develepor units have been replaced too

            So i guess the laser is the only option left is too swap out the laser or something?

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            • blackcat4866
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              • Jul 2007
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              #7
              I know that you said that you swapped the corona units, but that's what that defect usually points to: corroded primary grid. Install a new cyan corona unit.
              Certainly it's possible that it could be the laser, but unlikely. The other thing I would look very closely at is the laser slit glass. Clean then very thoroughly with alcohol.
              If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
              1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
              2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
              3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
              4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
              5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

              blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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              • Albonline
                Service Manager

                1,000+ Posts
                • Sep 2008
                • 1131

                #8
                where are the charge and bias setting at? this looks like grid blowout! are the anti misting systems working?

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                • rafwagon
                  Junior Member
                  • Mar 2019
                  • 8

                  #9
                  How do i check the charge and bias settings? Nothing has been altered. The I/O list where the charge can be checked (HV1) is marked 'do not use in the field'.

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                  • wjurls
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                    250+ Posts
                    • Feb 2017
                    • 491

                    #10
                    Does it happen with internal test pages as well? Try running the density balance chart and see if it shows on it too. There is a bulletin out regarding defective SCSI cables connected from the fiery to the machine that can cause weird imaging issues on the C7000.

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                    • rafwagon
                      Junior Member
                      • Mar 2019
                      • 8

                      #11
                      We run a CREO, not a FIERY
                      The problem is till not solved. I still shows on every page that uses Cyan. Also on test prints.
                      We did discover that the 1st stransfer DC BIAS for cyan is too high, double that of the otther colors (in drum peculuartiyt - auto gamma adjustment 0.

                      Any idea how we can get it down?

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                      • blackcat4866
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                        • Jul 2007
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                        #12
                        Please, please, please start with a new corona unit. Stop trying to compensate for worn parts.
                        If you'd like a serious answer to your request:
                        1) demonstrate that you've read the manual
                        2) demonstrate that you made some attempt to fix it.
                        3) if you're going to ask about jams include the jam code.
                        4) if you're going to ask about an error code include the error code.
                        5) You are the person onsite. Only you can make observations.

                        blackcat: Master Of The Obvious =^..^=

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                        • rafwagon
                          Junior Member
                          • Mar 2019
                          • 8

                          #13
                          We are not trying to compensate for worn parts, all corona's and drums are new, we did that in the beginning of al the cyan problems, and again a week ago. . By now i'm pretty sure this problem won't get solved and maybe it's time for a new unit. Propably not KM this time...

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                          • ps-tech
                            Junior Member
                            • Oct 2023
                            • 7

                            #14
                            Originally posted by rafwagon
                            We did discover that the 1st stransfer DC BIAS for cyan is too high, double that of the otther colors (in drum peculuartiyt - auto gamma adjustment 0.

                            Any idea how we can get it down?
                            Remove transfer belt unit and check 1st transfer roller. Swap with magenta and test again. Clean all rollers, reconnect all harness.

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                            • rafwagon
                              Junior Member
                              • Mar 2019
                              • 8

                              #15
                              Thank you for the input, ps-tech. It didn't work though. We did that, and the same cyan issue wass still there. We even swapped the entire transfer belt unit with one from another machine, same cyan streaks. So no problem with the first transfer rollers. Now we are going to check all the wiring to the cyan developing unit and to the charging corona's. We alreaddy did a visual inspection of all contacts, but now it's time to take it apart. Last resort will be checking the pcrb. I know some are going to advice to replace the pcrb, but it's an expensive fix that might not solve the issue.

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