Do you believe that Climate Change is real and caused by mankind?

[SalesServiceGuy]

Re: Do you believe that Climate Change is real and caused by mankind?

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If there is one American institution that I believe in it is NASA. They conclude that the earth's climate is warming and likely due to human activities.

"Multiple studies published in peer-reviewed scientific journals1 show that 97 percent or more of actively publishing climate scientists agree: Climate-warming trends over the past century are extremely likely due to human activities. In addition, most of the leading scientific organizations worldwide have issued public statements endorsing this position."

The 97 % that you quoted is extremely misleading ,academically dishonest and dangerous. For example, if the scientific journals are only receptive to those that believe warming is due to human activates, then they will only publish supporting scientists.

Are you saying that the author, NASA, the National Aeronautics & Space Administration, "is extremely misleading, academically dishonest and dangerous"?

[theengel]

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Allowing hatred to rule give rise to cowardly groups like the KKK and white supremacists.

I think I'm hijacking the thread... I'll continue on a fresh one:

http://www.copytechnet.com/forums/ra...tml#post576451

[Geo]

Re: Do you believe that Climate Change is real and caused by mankind?

I think anyone with a semblance of intelligence and compassion knows what "hatred" is. To hate a person just because their skin is a different colour, or because they worship a different "God" than you is ridiculous and pointless.

Sorry but you really didn't answer the full question.

[Geo]

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Are you saying that the author, NASA, the National Aeronautics & Space Administration, "is extremely misleading, academically dishonest and dangerous"?

I am referring to your specific cut and paste quote about the 97% figure....Not NASA.

[SalesServiceGuy]

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1st paragraph.

https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

I can only guess that the reason that 97% of the scientific journals support the climate change theory is that before they can be published they have to be peer reviewed.

Individual theories and special interest groups supported by political or corporate money usually cannot meet this test to become scientifically published.

[SalesServiceGuy]

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A survey of 1,600 Americans in 2016 concluded:

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/05/s...=tw-share&_r=1


Americans are deeply divided on the causes, cures and urgency of climate change, and party identification is one of the strongest predictors of individual views, according to a poll released Tuesday by the Pew Research Center.

Just over a third of Americans say they care a great deal about climate change. Among them, 72 percent are Democrats and 24 percent are Republicans; both numbers include independents who say they generally lean toward one party.

On other questions on climate change, Americans remain starkly divided: Nearly seven of 10 Democrats believe climate change is mainly a result of human activity; fewer than a quarter of Republicans believe that. A similarly worded question that appeared on surveys from 2006 to 2015 found comparable gaps on the perceived causes of climate change.

According to some scientists who study public perceptions of climate change, the United States is unusual in its relatively low level of public interest and engagement. In a poll conducted last year, around the time that world leaders gathered in Paris to negotiate a climate agreement, Pew found that among the 40 countries surveyed, a median of 54 percent of people considered climate change a serious problem. Among Americans, the figure was 45 percent, that poll found.

The new survey did find areas in which Americans agree across party lines. More than 80 percent, including wide majorities of Democrats, Republicans and independents, favor expansion of the solar and wind industries. About two-thirds of Americans say that climate scientists should play a major role in policy decisions related to climate change.

[slimslob]

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I can only guess that the reason that 97% of the scientific journals support the climate change theory is that before they can be published they have to be peer reviewed.

Individual theories and special interest groups supported by political or corporate money usually cannot meet this test to become scientifically published.

And you don't think that those doing the peer reviews are not motivated by political and corporate money. I have seen global warming alarmists claim that the "unprecedented" three hurricanes in the Atlantic basin is a definite sign that they are the result of global warming. They need to guess again. There is nothing unprecedented about three hurricanes in the Atlantic basin. You only have to look back seven years to prove them wrong.

[SalesServiceGuy]

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The following list of groups plus NASA state that climate change is the result of human activity:

American Medical Association
American Chemical Society
American Geophysical Union
American Association for the Advancement of Science
American Meteorological Society
American Physical Society
The Geological Society of America
US National Academy of Science

Plus here is a list of nearly 200 other scientific organization around the world that hold the position that climate change has been caused by human activity.


List of Worldwide Scientific Organizations - Office of Planning and Research

I you have any evidence that any of these organizations were influenced by political or corporate donations in making their determination that climate change is the result of human activity, please let us all know.

I did do a Google search on "are peer reviews influenced by money" and yes there are certainly many articles that suggests especially among academic topics that both bias and money could be a factor.

I appreciate your map from 2010 showing there were three hurricanes present in the same time in the Atlantic Basin.

Hurricane Karl was a Cat 3 storm and caused $5.6B damage to mostly Mexico
Hurricane Igor was a Cat 4 storm and caused $200M damage to Newfoundland, Canada
Hurricane Julia was a Cat 4 storm but caused minimal damage as it never posed a threat to land.

The problem is as the ocean keeps getting warmer due to global warming, the frequency and intensity of these hurricanes can only increase.

[Geo]

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A little non PC fact.. In a recent interview, on a national radio program of a renowned geoscientist revealed that many climatologists believe hurricane intensity , in recent years has increased due to cleaner air...So it seems stronger, deadlier storms are a byproduct of reduced car , industrial emissions and coal fired power plants...ironic ehh..

[SalesServiceGuy]

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This is a list of scientists who have made statements that conflict with the scientific consensus on global warming as summarized by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and endorsed by other scientific bodies. The great majority of publishing climate scientists support the consensus on anthropogenic climate change, hence this list represents a minority viewpoint.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scientists_opposing_the_mainstream_scienti fic_assessment_of_global_warming

[Santander]

Re: Do you believe that Climate Change is real and caused by mankind?

This is a list of scientists who have made statements that conflict with the scientific consensus on global warming as summarized by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and endorsed by other scientific bodies. The great majority of publishing climate scientists support the consensus on anthropogenic climate change, hence this list represents a minority viewpoint.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scientists_opposing_the_mainstream_scienti fic_assessment_of_global_warming

Science is not a consensus opinion, it is based on verifiable research and peer review of the presented data. Remember the celebrated Hockey Stick global warming model that was "proved" to be entirely bogus! You are basing your argument on the debunked [false news] statement that a majority of climatologists have published scientific papers supporting this view when in fact it is only 30% of the papers published on this issue. The other 70% say that there is not enough data to support this view or cannot correlate the data to man made causation of the warming trend! The majority of true scientists do not support your view, just do some research. Just remember that the dinosaurs lived in a climate that is much warmer than it is is today! How do you account for that? Can you tell me the joules that man has added to the climate as opposed to the joules added by the sun?

[Copier Addict]

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Science is not a consensus opinion, it is based on verifiable research and peer review of the presented data. Remember the celebrated Hockey Stick global warming model that was "proved" to be entirely bogus! You are basing your argument on the debunked [false news] statement that a majority of climatologists have published scientific papers supporting this view when in fact it is only 30% of the papers published on this issue. The other 70% say that there is not enough data to support this view or cannot correlate the data to man made causation of the warming trend! The majority of true scientists do not support your view, just do some research. Just remember that the dinosaurs lived in a climate that is much warmer than it is is today! How do you account for that? Can you tell me the joules that man has added to the climate as opposed to the joules added by the sun?

CO2 levels during time of dinosaurs. Kinda interesting

https://www.livescience.com/44330-jurassic-dinosaur-carbon-dioxide.html

[blsquires]

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my answer to this question is yes.i also believe in father christmas and rudolph the rednosed reindeer

[Santander]

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CO2 levels during time of dinosaurs. Kinda interesting
https://www.livescience.com/44330-ju...n-dioxide.html

What does Co2 levels in the age of dinosaurs have to do with your premise? It is a well documented fact that Co2 levels rise AFTER a period o global warming rather than before. The reference to the climate in the age of the dinosaurs was to illustrate that they lived in a climate much warmer then we have today and that the global climate is always changing. You also just conveniently ignore my question of how many joules of energy man introduces to the environment as opposed to the sun! In case you do not know the definition of a joule, A unit of energy equal to the work done when a force of one newton acts through a distance of one meter. It is the basic definition of energy. Without this basic input how do you claim that man is creating global warming? Scientifically you cannot! Why do you also ignore the fact that of over 10,000 papers published by scientists on the climate only 30% of the climatologists had a definitive position on the cause of warming and only 97% of those said it was because of man. If you do the math, 2,910 papers say man is the cause, 29% not your 97% "consensus" number, while 71% cannot on a scientific basis attribute the changes to man's interaction with the environment. "Chicken Little" alarmist does not apply here, facts do.

[SalesServiceGuy]

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Science is not a consensus opinion, it is based on verifiable research and peer review of the presented data. Remember the celebrated Hockey Stick global warming model that was "proved" to be entirely bogus! You are basing your argument on the debunked [false news] statement that a majority of climatologists have published scientific papers supporting this view when in fact it is only 30% of the papers published on this issue. The other 70% say that there is not enough data to support this view or cannot correlate the data to man made causation of the warming trend! The majority of true scientists do not support your view, just do some research. Just remember that the dinosaurs lived in a climate that is much warmer than it is is today! How do you account for that? Can you tell me the joules that man has added to the climate as opposed to the joules added by the sun?

Current scientific data strengthens the Hockey Stick global warming data. To call this model bogus is in fact false news.

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2013/05/the-hockey-stick-the-most-controversial-chart-in-science-explained/275753/

Please provide links to where you are claiming only 30% of climatologists have published papers supporting global warming.

It is probably true that the world was warmer when dinosaurs roamed the earth. The discussion is about man made climate change. Not about the time before cavemen first discovered how to make fire.

Some quick research indicates during the time of the dinosaurs that there was a lot more volcanic activity on the planet and continents were still shifting around due to tectonic activity. This all kicked a lot more CO2 into the air.

One the joules question, I do not know. Please provide the answer with links to your sources.