The Shining City Upon a Hill

[SalesServiceGuy]

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"Surely, this is not what the original framers of the US constitution envisioned!"


I disagree.


We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are LIFE, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness

... they envisioned vigilante justice by out of state bounty hunters designed to terrorize a woman's right to control her body?

Your own statement only describes men, not women. It is basically a flawed document.

How can a woman pursue happiness if she cannot choose what is right for her?

[BillyCarpenter]

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... they envisioned vigilante justice by out of state bounty hunters designed to terrorize a woman's right to control her body?

Your own statement only describes men, not women. It is basically a flawed document.

How can a woman pursue happiness if she cannot choose what is right for her?

You're looking out for women. Who is looking out of the unborn baby?

[SalesServiceGuy]

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You're looking out for women. Who is looking out of the unborn baby?

... at six weeks, a human embryo has neither a heart nor brain formed yet. There is no baby, just fetal tissue. Most women are not even aware they are pregnant at this date.

Would you prefer an explosion of unwanted teen pregnancies?

Advocates of the new SB8 law actually encourage a network of snitches to help out of state/ out of country vigilantes "prosecute for profit" woman in Texas who need abortion procedures as long as four years after the fact.

[BillyCarpenter]

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Joe's presidency is crumbling before our eyes. More bad news on top of more bad news for America.

Major jobs disappointment: America added only 235,000 jobs in August


New York (CNN Business)America's jobs recovery hit a major roadblock in August as the Delta variant threatened the labor market recovery, and the US economy added far fewer jobs than expected.


Only 235,000 jobs were added back to the economy last month, the lowest number since January, vastly missing economists' expectations.
In normal times that would have been a reason to celebrate, but nowadays it's a sharp slowdown from the buoyant jobs reports earlier in the summer. Friday's report fell far short of economists' already reduced expectations: Predictions for Friday's jobs report had been revised down to 728,000 from 750,000 earlier after Wednesday's ADP Employment Report, which count private payrolls, also disappointed.
Nearly a year and a half into the recovery, the US economy remains 5.3 million jobs short of where it was in February 2020, before Covid-19 threw a wrench into the gears.

[BillyCarpenter]

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... at six weeks, a human embryo has neither a heart nor brain formed yet. There is no baby, just fetal tissue. Most women are not even aware they are pregnant at this date.

Would you prefer an explosion of unwanted teen pregnancies?

Advocates of the new SB8 law actually encourage a network of snitches to help out of state/ out of country vigilantes "prosecute for profit" woman in Texas who need abortion procedures as long as four years after the fact.

So, at what month during the pregnancy do you make abortion illegal for a healthy baby?

[SalesServiceGuy]

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Joe's presidency is crumbling before our eyes. More bad news on top of more bad news for America.

COVID will continue to devastate the world economy for years to come. Global logistics will remain a mess into late 2022.

No US President can avoid these cascading manmade and natural disasters.

Texas certainly is not helping.

The bad news is not unique to America.

[BillyCarpenter]

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COVID will continue to devastate the world economy for years to come. Global logistics will remain a mess into late 2022.

No US President can avoid these cascading manmade and natural disasters.

Texas certainly is not helping.

The bad news is not unique to America.

Americans are tired of Joe's failed agenda and broken promises and his poll numbers have taken a nose dive.


I know you're his biggest fan but deep down I know even you can see that America and much of the world has lost faith in Biden.

[SalesServiceGuy]

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Americans are tired of Joe's failed agenda and broken promises and his poll numbers have taken a nose dive.


I know you're his biggest fan but deep down I know even you can see that America and much of the world has lost faith in Biden.

... dream on.

[SalesServiceGuy]

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So, at what month during the pregnancy do you make abortion illegal for a healthy baby?

... an unborn baby is just that. Not born. A woman should always have a choice as to what is right for her right up to birth. You are trying to impose your beliefs on someone else impairing their personal and constitutional rights.

[BillyCarpenter]

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... an unborn baby is just that. Not born. A woman should always have a choice as to what is right for her right up to birth. You are trying to impose your beliefs on someone else impairing their personal and constitutional rights.

Please confirm or deny:

a.) you believe that an unborn child is nothing more than a clump of cells up to the moment of birth?

b.) You want the USA to change it laws (viability - which can range from 24-28 weeks) and allow a woman to abort an unborn child up to the 9th month?

[BillyCarpenter]

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PS - We've had this abortion debate before and I've tried to explain this but the liberal folks on this board refuse to acknowledge. Can I please get you guys to acknowledge.


- WE ALREADY TELL WOMEN WHAT THEY CAN DO WITH THEIR BODY. Why? Because abortion is illegal after viability.

Please stop using that excuse.

[Copier Addict]

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PS - We've had this abortion debate before and I've tried to explain this but the liberal folks on this board refuse to acknowledge. Can I please get you guys to acknowledge.


- WE ALREADY TELL WOMEN WHAT THEY CAN DO WITH THEIR BODY. Why? Because abortion is illegal after viability.

Please stop using that excuse.

Try this test Billy.
Pull down your pants, do you see a penis? If yes SHUT UP!!!!
If no, continue on talking.

[BillyCarpenter]

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Try this test Billy.
Pull down your pants, do you see a penis? If yes SHUT UP!!!!
If no, continue on talking.

Huh? Stop hitting the bottle.


All I'm asking for is honesty. We already tell women what they can do with their body and I've explained how/why.


You guys sound as looney as those that deny that the vaccine works.

I don't understand why you guys refuse to acknowledge this.

[BillyCarpenter]

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By the way, Debs made me rethink my position but I'm still having a hard time with this. What I refuse to do is debate anyone that refuses to be honest about it. And that involves admitting that in the USA we already tell a woman she can't abort a healthy baby after a certain time.

[SalesServiceGuy]

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Please confirm or deny:

a.) you believe that an unborn child is nothing more than a clump of cells up to the moment of birth?

b.) You want the USA to change it laws (viability - which can range from 24-28 weeks) and allow a woman to abort an unborn child up to the 9th month?

A. Yes. It is still a woman's right to decide right up until birth. In rare cases, a woman does terminate a pregnancy in the third trimester.

Dana Weinstein was 31 weeks into her second pregnancy, preparing to welcome a daughter, when she and her husband were given horrible news: A critical piece of the brain had not developed properly.
"[We were told] that our baby would have seizures 70% of the time — that was a best-case scenario; that when we delivered her, that we'd need to have a resuscitation order in place because she would most likely seize to death," Weinstein said.

... not so easy a decision now?

However polarizing third-trimester abortions might be as a political issue, as a medical procedure, they are relatively rare. According to the Guttmacher Institute, which supports abortion rights, a little more than 1 percent occur sometime after 21 weeks, which is still well within the second trimester.

B. Roe vs Wade has served the USA and it's women well for 50 years. No change is required.