Re: indentured servants my ass.....
Now this is the part where I feel the need to throw my hat back in. Morals and religion are separable, in the same way church and state are. There are laws and fundamental morality present in most people. It's agreed upon as a society that killing someone, or harming someone incapable of defending themselves is morally unjust, and therefore there were laws created regarding both of those circumstances. They were not decided upon by any single religion stating it can't or shouldn't be done.
Animals do not rape, with the exception of dolphins... Intercourse between animals is typically purely for reproductive purposes, with the exception of monkeys who prostitute themselves for bananas and dolphins again, which are the only other mammal known to have sexual intercourse for pleasure and reproduction. The dominant male in the group of creatures gets his pick of who receives his seed. This is known as survival of the fittest, a fundamental part in evolution. Strong traits of the parents are passed on to the offspring for the purpose of improving the species as a whole. Similarly, animals kill with a simplistic notion in mind - survival. When animals kill each other, we view it as a horrible thing simply because as a society we've been taught that killing one's own kind is a great sin and we now view it as morally unjustifiable. Animals view it as thinning out the herd, once again referencing survival of the fittest, if someone gets out of line then their own society deals with it the only way they know how by killing or exiling the offending creature. If animals had the chance to evolve the complex thought processes and communication methods that humans have, I'm sure they similarly would adopt beliefs and other methods to deal with the other animals that don't conform to their morals and laws.
Christianity likes to praise itself as the only true religion, and with much of the world having molded itself to those beliefs, it's hard to disagree with the statement. However, are you aware that different cultures have completely different beliefs, where a child becomes a man in their eyes much sooner than the 18/19/21 of North America? In other parts of the world, some children are seen as property and can be sold off at will to do whatever with whoever and it's not seen as wrong. Elsewhere, the age of consent is just much lower. We're not advocating N.A.M.B.L.A. here, in our society it's seen as wrong to hurt a child, and where else more than anywhere? Prison. People often forget prisoners are people too, with real lives at one point and often with kids. Do you know why they keep the pedophiles and child murders in a separate part of the prison from the general population? Even prisoners have moral and social codes, kids are strictly off limits, religion has nothing to do with this - it's purely parental instinct to protect their children and knowing instinctively right from wrong. Ultimately, human beings are animals all the same, we've just had the luxury to evolve and now have a developed society.
To say that without religion, everyone would just be raping and murdering left, right and center is about the furthest from the truth as possible. Speaking to a fundamental anarchist with this statement would have you laughed at so hard it would make your ears bleed. I did mention fundamental anarchy as it refers to society working within its own laws outside of a "big brother" type government, people working with people to make their society work exactly as they see fit, without high paid executive leaders making all the decisions for everyone. I'm not saying this is the approach society should take, merely explaining briefly what the fundamental anarchist is thinking, as opposed to the morons who just cheer "Anarchy!!!" and begin breaking things because they're just jerks. Society will work in its own ways and adopt its own moral code as it sees fit, throwing a book at someone and telling them to worship an invisible sky man does not in itself make for a peaceful loving society. See - The Crusades. More raping and murder than any other time in Christian-based societies, in the name of God, no less. Christian men raping women from other villages because they were seen as heathens, in the name of God... Doesn't that in itself disprove your theory? Imagine what life today would be like had we not had that long dark span in our history with people killing and raping in the name of their God.
The evolution of man without religion will prove no more harmful, if not less so, than the evolution of man with religion. One side just has a blank cheque to justify their killing, raping and war...
Now this is the part where I feel the need to throw my hat back in. Morals and religion are separable, in the same way church and state are. There are laws and fundamental morality present in most people. It's agreed upon as a society that killing someone, or harming someone incapable of defending themselves is morally unjust, and therefore there were laws created regarding both of those circumstances. They were not decided upon by any single religion stating it can't or shouldn't be done.
Animals do not rape, with the exception of dolphins... Intercourse between animals is typically purely for reproductive purposes, with the exception of monkeys who prostitute themselves for bananas and dolphins again, which are the only other mammal known to have sexual intercourse for pleasure and reproduction. The dominant male in the group of creatures gets his pick of who receives his seed. This is known as survival of the fittest, a fundamental part in evolution. Strong traits of the parents are passed on to the offspring for the purpose of improving the species as a whole. Similarly, animals kill with a simplistic notion in mind - survival. When animals kill each other, we view it as a horrible thing simply because as a society we've been taught that killing one's own kind is a great sin and we now view it as morally unjustifiable. Animals view it as thinning out the herd, once again referencing survival of the fittest, if someone gets out of line then their own society deals with it the only way they know how by killing or exiling the offending creature. If animals had the chance to evolve the complex thought processes and communication methods that humans have, I'm sure they similarly would adopt beliefs and other methods to deal with the other animals that don't conform to their morals and laws.
Christianity likes to praise itself as the only true religion, and with much of the world having molded itself to those beliefs, it's hard to disagree with the statement. However, are you aware that different cultures have completely different beliefs, where a child becomes a man in their eyes much sooner than the 18/19/21 of North America? In other parts of the world, some children are seen as property and can be sold off at will to do whatever with whoever and it's not seen as wrong. Elsewhere, the age of consent is just much lower. We're not advocating N.A.M.B.L.A. here, in our society it's seen as wrong to hurt a child, and where else more than anywhere? Prison. People often forget prisoners are people too, with real lives at one point and often with kids. Do you know why they keep the pedophiles and child murders in a separate part of the prison from the general population? Even prisoners have moral and social codes, kids are strictly off limits, religion has nothing to do with this - it's purely parental instinct to protect their children and knowing instinctively right from wrong. Ultimately, human beings are animals all the same, we've just had the luxury to evolve and now have a developed society.
To say that without religion, everyone would just be raping and murdering left, right and center is about the furthest from the truth as possible. Speaking to a fundamental anarchist with this statement would have you laughed at so hard it would make your ears bleed. I did mention fundamental anarchy as it refers to society working within its own laws outside of a "big brother" type government, people working with people to make their society work exactly as they see fit, without high paid executive leaders making all the decisions for everyone. I'm not saying this is the approach society should take, merely explaining briefly what the fundamental anarchist is thinking, as opposed to the morons who just cheer "Anarchy!!!" and begin breaking things because they're just jerks. Society will work in its own ways and adopt its own moral code as it sees fit, throwing a book at someone and telling them to worship an invisible sky man does not in itself make for a peaceful loving society. See - The Crusades. More raping and murder than any other time in Christian-based societies, in the name of God, no less. Christian men raping women from other villages because they were seen as heathens, in the name of God... Doesn't that in itself disprove your theory? Imagine what life today would be like had we not had that long dark span in our history with people killing and raping in the name of their God.
The evolution of man without religion will prove no more harmful, if not less so, than the evolution of man with religion. One side just has a blank cheque to justify their killing, raping and war...
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