Gun Control

[DAG COPIERS & COMPUTERS]

Re: Gun Control

People use religion to justify hating others and that is sad.
If you do not have religion to back up your hatred of those who are different, you just look like an asshole. If you do not believe that gays have been around since the dawn of time, you are denying what is documented fact.



By the way, studies show that people who hate and seem to fear gays the most are usually suppressing homosexual urges. Your whole country may need to take a hard look at themselves.

You miss the point Sir, In my preceding post I stated clearly that OUR FORE FATHERS or ANCESTORS didn't pass down the culture of GAY-ISM to us. That implies that they didn't know about it all, or if at all they did know about it, since you claim ''Gays have been around since the dawn of time'', then they might have found the practice so DISGUSTING that they considered it a taboo to pass it on to their posterity. Therefore your notion that our dislike for gay-ism is Religiously motivated is baseless! Human CONSCIENCE, for all we know, has NOTHING to do with Religion.

[fixthecopier]

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You miss the point Sir, In my preceding post I stated clearly that OUR FORE FATHERS or ANCESTORS didn't pass down the culture of GAY-ISM to us. That implies that they didn't know about it all, or if at all they did know about it, since you claim ''Gays have been around since the dawn of time'', then they might have found the practice so DISGUSTING that they considered it a taboo to pass it on to their posterity. Therefore your notion that our dislike for gay-ism is Religiously motivated is baseless! Human CONSCIENCE, for all we know, has NOTHING to do with Religion.

I will have to correct you there. I can look at every organization that works to suppress gay rights, and they claim to be doing the work of God. Your people may have hated people who are different before they where told by their conquers what God to pray to, in which case they are just a bunch of assholes. This is where I am coming from.Uganda Anti-Homosexuality Bill - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. It pretty much expands to what I have been saying. I really did not want this thread to go this way, but as an American I will not back down from people having the basic right to live without being fucked with by religious assholes. That same religious book that helps justify your hate, is the same book that helped my forefathers come to your land, take your people and sell them as slaves. It is because the Bible says it is OK. If the bible is such a great book, how come the 10 commandments don't mention rape or slavery. I guess in Gods eyes, it is more of a sin for me to covet my neighbors stuff, than to rape your daughter and take your son to be sold as a slave. I find it hard to believe that any black person would want to follow the bible.



Read that page I linked to, and then tell me again how religion is not involved in your persecution of gays.

[DAG COPIERS & COMPUTERS]

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I will have to correct you there. I can look at every organization that works to suppress gay rights, and they claim to be doing the work of God. Your people may have hated people who are different before they where told by their conquers what God to pray to, in which case they are just a bunch of assholes. This is where I am coming from.Uganda Anti-Homosexuality Bill - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. It pretty much expands to what I have been saying. I really did not want this thread to go this way, but as an American I will not back down from people having the basic right to live without being fucked with by religious assholes. That same religious book that helps justify your hate, is the same book that helped my forefathers come to your land, take your people and sell them as slaves. It is because the Bible says it is OK. If the bible is such a great book, how come the 10 commandments don't mention rape or slavery. I guess in Gods eyes, it is more of a sin for me to covet my neighbors stuff, than to rape your daughter and take your son to be sold as a slave. I find it hard to believe that any black person would want to follow the bible.



Read that page I linked to, and then tell me again how religion is not involved in your persecution of gays.

I didn't know that an 'intellectual' like you could stoop as low as portraying his racial hatred and xenophobia in an open forum and debate like this one. It clearly indicates that your level of education is wanting. You are unfit for any intellectual debate. I hereby, forthwith unsubscribe from this thread, otherwise people will not know the difference between the two of us.

[fixthecopier]

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I didn't know that an 'intellectual' like you could stoop as low as portraying his racial hatred and xenophobia in an open forum and debate like this one. It clearly indicates that your level of education is wanting. You are unfit for any intellectual debate. I hereby, forthwith unsubscribe from this thread, otherwise people will not know the difference between the two of us.

That works for me. Bringing facts to a religious discussion usually brings it to an end.


Sorry this got hijacked

I think the subject was gun control


I came to the conclusion that in reference to guns in America, almost everybody has them, and the difference between a liberal and a conservative is that a liberal leaves his guns at home, and a conservative likes to take his with him.

[Akitu]

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I didn't know that an 'intellectual' like you could stoop as low as portraying his racial hatred and xenophobia in an open forum and debate like this one. It clearly indicates that your level of education is wanting. You are unfit for any intellectual debate. I hereby, forthwith unsubscribe from this thread, otherwise people will not know the difference between the two of us.

I think you either misunderstood or did not read Fixthecopier's post, he stated that the very same bible you are preaching about now was the same one that allowed the white man to enslave the black man, claiming it was in the name of god and that your people were put on the earth to serve those people. There was nothing racially insensitive or xenophobic about it, simply referencing past history and fact of what happened before our times and for a very long, dark time in human history.

Fact of the matter is, homosexuality has been a part of human history for as long as the bible has been around if not longer, and has been portrayed in many artworks and in literature as well. To be frank, society was a lot less homophobic then as opposed to now - a common factoid floating around the interwebs says that the first Olympic games were played in the buff.

[Shadow1]

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I didn't know that an 'intellectual' like you could stoop as low as portraying his racial hatred and xenophobia in an open forum and debate like this one. It clearly indicates that your level of education is wanting. You are unfit for any intellectual debate. I hereby, forthwith unsubscribe from this thread, otherwise people will not know the difference between the two of us.

Never argue with an idiot - people watching may not be able to tell the difference.

If you actually study the Bible, "Slaves" were more along the line of an indentured servant back in the day... All of the teachings in the Bible boil down to "Treat your neighbor as you would want to be treated"

People fooled themsleves into thinking the African people weren't really people because God painted them a different color - stupidity based on arrogance and greed - definately not Biblical.

Now can we get back on with the discussion? Create a different thread if you want to talk about religion, gays, and slavery - I'll subscribe and bring popcorn.

[SalesServiceGuy]

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In a TV interview last night, the Police Chief of New York City, which has some of the toughest firearms laws in the USA, stated that 2% of homicides with firearms nationally (220 people) were caused by assault style weapons. The vast majority of firearm related homicides (10,780) are caused by concealed hand guns. I do not have the stats handy but I read somewhere that the majority of those victims are urban black males.

I would say that it would be impossible for the USA to put the "genie back in the bottle" re handguns.

[MR Bill]

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Those figures are about right there SalesService guy. And I don't know for sure but a lot are gang bangers I would guess with ILLEGAL handguns.

Now why do the inner city black kids get into gangs? No dad at home to show him the way I bet. 75% are fatherless. Thank the wellfair state for that.

Drop out rate is high. They wear there pants down below their butt. Tatoos all over. Who want's to hire someone like that.?

Sad .

[emujo]

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Pants down around the knees, one hand continuously in use to keep them from going all the way down..can you think of a more stupid way to express just how hip you are??? Pants down around the knees used to be prison "speak" for "yes I'm up for a good corn hole-ing"...When I see one of those kids walking down the street like that i want to just yell "what the f*** are you thinking"!! but then I shut up because they probably have a gun and I might just get shot....Not that I'm a chicken shit, but I'de like to at least have a better reason for get uselessly wasted. Emujo

[SalesServiceGuy]

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Is there any reason for the average American citizen to be able to purchase hollow point bullets that are basically designed to cause maximum trauma to the human body upon impact?

Although NY State has tough gun control laws that greatly reduce the ability of a person in that state to easily purchase a weapon, weapons continue to flood into the state via the "Iron Highway" from mainly Florida but other nearby states where the laws are far more lax.

[Shadow1]

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Is there any reason for the average American citizen to be able to purchase hollow point bullets that are basically designed to cause maximum trauma to the human body upon impact?.

Because in a self defense situation you don't want the bad guy to have any chance of continuing to do whatever it was that made you shoot him. Also, in a home defense scenario you want whatever rounds you have to fire only harming the buglar - JRN or FMJ rounds tend to go right through the bad guy, the wall behind them, and posibly one of the people you were trying to protect - JHP rounds expend all of their energy on the criminal.

[Akitu]

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Because in a self defense situation you don't want the bad guy to have any chance of continuing to do whatever it was that made you shoot him. Also, in a home defense scenario you want whatever rounds you have to fire only harming the buglar - JRN or FMJ rounds tend to go right through the bad guy, the wall behind them, and posibly one of the people you were trying to protect - JHP rounds expend all of their energy on the criminal.

With the limited knowledge on physics and biology I have, and a few tidbits of information I may have picked up from TV over the years but can't possibly recall where or when; am I not mistaken in the assumption that the bullet that does not expend all its energy upon the point of impact would do less damage than the bullet that would and as a result, the most damage done by the solid core round is actually collateral damage from a potential ricochet?

If the shot's a good shot it wouldn't matter what kind of bullet it was anyways, the only risk in the above scenario is another "what if" scenario of what if I shot the bad guy and it went through and hit one of my family members. Is it not a reasonable assumption that with the proper training on whatever firearm it is with which you're defending yourself, that you should reasonably be able to make a shot that would disable an attacker? Assuming they're in your home, chances are they won't be an obscene distance from you and you should stand a fair chance of hitting your target in the general vicinity of where you wanted to send that bullet.

There's a half a billion "what if" scenarios I started trying to build my above paragraph into, but I realized I would have been typing forever if I even tried.

[SalesServiceGuy]

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The NRA has recently published a enemies list of 500 individuals and organizations:

"The following organizations have lent monetary, grassroots or some other type of direct support to anti-gun organizations. In many instances, these organizations lent their name in support of specific campaigns to pass anti-gun legislation such as the March 1995 HCI "Campaign to Protect Sane Gun Laws." Many of these organizations were listed as "Campaign Partners," for having pledged to fight any efforts to repeal the Brady Act and the Clinton "assault weapons" ban. All have officially endorsed anti-gun positions."

NRA-ILA | National Organizations With Anti-Gun Po

[SalesServiceGuy]

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The Hague Convention of 1899 outlawed hollow point bullets to be used amongst signature nations as the wounds inflicted on soldiers was considered too traumatic.

The Avalon Project : Laws of War - Declaration on the Use of Bullets Which Expand or Flatten Easily in the Human Body; July 29, 1899

... but it gets confusing as many Federal gov't agencies in 2012 were stockpiling millions of rounds and calling hollow points "standard issue".

Agencies tamp down speculation over hollow-point ammo purchases | Fox News

Feds' explanation of hollow point bullets raises more questions - National Conservative | Examiner.com

If gun owners advocate the use of hollow point bullets to defend themselves against intruders then it is fair for them to expect that intruders will be firing back at them with the same hollow point bullets. Sounds like the wild west of the 1800's!

American gun advocates seem trapped in a never ending escalation of imaging the worst possible violent outcome and preparing for it.

The ammo manufacturers love it as hollow point bullets are the most expensive to purchase and have the highest profit margins.

[fixthecopier]

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The definition of an enemy in America is anybody who doesn't think like you do. The far right has found that name calling and telling things that might not be true are very effective. If someone opposes your policies, just call them a Socialist, a Marxist or really go way out in space and compare everything from Obamacare to medicare to the holocaust.I can't believe it every time some GOP rep wants to bring up the holocaust, as if to say, "Look , I know nothing about the holocaust and I bet if you are still listening to me, I bet you don't either" Idaho Republican Compares Obamacare To The Holocaust | ThinkProgress