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  • Shadow1
    Service Manager

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    • Sep 2008
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    Re: Gun Control

    Originally posted by SalesServiceGuy
    I answered in the previous post. If you want to own a weapon that is your right. No one is trying to take your guns away.
    No, actually, you didn't.

    You spouted off about some imaginary theory about how it's safer not to have a gun in the house. Now you're spouting off about how no one is trying to take my guns away - i.e. limiting my rights to purchase and own a gun - and I'm raising the bulls**t flag to full mast.

    The question was: How does limiting the rights of honest gun owners do anything to prevent the violence of criminals?

    Now, since you seem particularly dense and ignorant on the subject of answering questions directly, I'll give you a hint. You may start your reply in the following manner: Limiting the rights of honest gun owners will prevent the violence of criminals because...

    The rest is up to you, I'm not giving you the option of dodging the question. I will be here to make sure it sticks, no diversions or distractions. Do us the favor of a direct answer to the question or admitting that you can't give us one.
    73 DE W5SSJ

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    • Tonerbomb
      AutoMajical Resolutionist

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      Re: Gun Control

      Originally posted by Shadow1
      No, actually, you didn't.

      Limiting the rights of honest gun owners will prevent the violence of criminals because...
      How about IT WILL NOT STOP THE VIOLENCE OF CRIMINALS, PERIOD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Laws prevent honest people from owning guns, criminals don't obey the LAW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      Mystic Crystal Revelations

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      • rh112
        Technician

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        • Dec 2007
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        Re: Gun Control

        Originally posted by SalesServiceGuy
        Fueling the Golden State's gun-control debate, a new statewide poll says a wide margin of California voters favor beefing up what already are among the country's toughest gun laws.
        They back tighter controls and taxes on ammunition sales and outright bans on more weapons, according to the new Field Poll, and strongly reject training teachers to carry concealed weapons at schools.
        In record numbers, California voters now say it's more important to put new controls on gun ownership than to protect Americans' rights to own guns, the poll says.

        Field Poll: California voters favor gun controls over protecting Second Amendment rights - San Jose Mercury News
        Wikipedia
        Gun violence is a regularly debated political issue in the United States. Gun-related violence is most common in poor urban areas and frequently associated with gang violence, often involving male juveniles or young adult males.[1][2] High-profile mass shootings have fueled debate over gun policies, even though these events are relatively rare

        For anyone who believes more laws,taxes or outright ban will stop this
        I have some ocean front property in West Virginia for sale cheap

        As in previous post 8538 involved firearms and rifles were used in323
        If a ban were put on rifles how long would it be before the government quotes these figures
        and said we need a ban on other firearms as well
        I hope I am wrong
        But I believe its a one step at a time process for the government to control every facet of our lives

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        • SalesServiceGuy
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          Re: Gun Control

          I understand that some people live in a world filled with crime filled paranoia that motivates them to purchase firearms for personal safety. That is their right and no one is trying to take that right away.

          For example, Mississippi, has the 4th highest annual firearms death rates per 100,000 in the USA at 16.8. and the 8th highest % of households that own a gun at around 53%. The National average is around 45%.

          Firearms Death Rate per 100,000 - Kaiser State Health Facts

          The debate is over what type of firearm and accessories is reasonable for a home owner to be able to purchase. I am sure if an AK47 was available to purchase at your local gun shop, extreme pro gun lobbyists would be all for it.

          So in response to your question and acknowledging the fact that gun sales have recently spiked upwards in the USA, approx 50% of Americans do not believe that a gun is the right thing to possess when trying to protect oneself from a criminal. This belief is based on real facts that state that owners of guns and their families are much more likely to be victims of those same guns which exist in their homes every day than in the small chance that someday their home might be attacked by criminals with weapons.

          Forty-seven percent of American adults currently report that they have a gun in their home or elsewhere on their property. This is up from 41% a year ago and is the highest Gallup has recorded since 1993.
          Last edited by SalesServiceGuy; 03-24-2013, 02:52 PM.

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          • Jimbo1
            Senior Tech

            500+ Posts
            • Mar 2008
            • 845

            Re: Gun Control

            Originally posted by SalesServiceGuy
            I understand that some people live in a world filled with crime filled paranoia that motivates them to purchase firearms for personal safety. That is their right and no one is trying to take that right away.

            For example, Mississippi, has the 4th highest annual firearms death rates per 100,000 in the USA at 16.8. and the 8th highest % of households that own a gun at around 53%. The National average is around 45%.

            Firearms Death Rate per 100,000 - Kaiser State Health Facts

            The debate is over what type of firearm and accessories is reasonable for a home owner to be able to purchase. I am sure if an AK47 was available to purchase at your local gun shop, extreme pro gun lobbyists would be all for it.

            So in response to your question and acknowledging the fact that gun sales have recently spiked upwards in the USA, approx 50% of Americans do not believe that a gun is the right thing to possess when trying to protect oneself from a criminal. This belief is based on real facts that state that owners of guns and their families are much more likely to be victims of those same guns which exist in their homes every day than in the small chance that someday their home might be attacked by criminals with weapons.

            Self-Reported Gun Ownership in U.S. Is Highest Since 1993
            Which doesn't alter the fact that the more this administration bleats about the people having firearms, the more that are sold.
            Maybe if they would moderate their lingo.......
            "Some days you get the bear, some days the bear gets you."

            Cdr. William Riker

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            • rh112
              Technician

              50+ Posts
              • Dec 2007
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              Re: Gun Control

              Originally posted by SalesServiceGuy
              I understand that some people live in a world filled with crime filled paranoia that motivates them to purchase firearms for personal safety. That is their right and no one is trying to take that right away.

              For example, Mississippi, has the 4th highest annual firearms death rates per 100,000 in the USA at 16.8. and the 8th highest % of households that own a gun at around 53%. The National average is around 45%.

              Firearms Death Rate per 100,000 - Kaiser State Health Facts

              The debate is over what type of firearm and accessories is reasonable for a home owner to be able to purchase. I am sure if an AK47 was available to purchase at your local gun shop, extreme pro gun lobbyists would be all for it.

              So in response to your question and acknowledging the fact that gun sales have recently spiked upwards in the USA, approx 50% of Americans do not believe that a gun is the right thing to possess when trying to protect oneself from a criminal. This belief is based on real facts that state that owners of guns and their families are much more likely to be victims of those same guns which exist in their homes every day than in the small chance that someday their home might be attacked by criminals with weapons.

              Self-Reported Gun Ownership in U.S. Is Highest Since 1993
              So in response to your question and acknowledging the fact that gun sales have recently spiked upwards in the USA, approx 50% of Americans do not believe that a gun is the right thing to possess when trying to protect oneself from a criminal.

              Wonder what these 50% think the is right thing to possess when trying to protect oneself from a criminal
              Also as my granddad would always say " wonder what color the sky is in their world'

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              • rh112
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                • Dec 2007
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                Re: Gun Control

                Take a look at Districtof Columbia they are 16.6 with no one allowed to own a firearm only.2 different from Mississippi


                How Washington D.C.’s Gun Ban Led to a Crime Wave in the 80s

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                • SalesServiceGuy
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                  Re: Gun Control

                  I would have to rephrase "approx 50% of Americans do not believe that a gun is the right thing to possess when trying to protect oneself from a criminal."

                  I should have said, approx 50% of Americans do not possess a gun, in the unlikely event, they had to protect them self from a criminal. They either do not see the need for one or cannot afford one.

                  It is equally untrue that every criminal possess a firearm when committing a crime.

                  American gun ownership seems to be increasing among white males who own multiple guns on average partially accounting for the spike in gun sales.

                  It is my personal opinion that if you confront a criminal with a gun with a gun of your own that 50% of the time it is going to turn out badly for either yourself or the criminal.

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                  • Shadow1
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                    Re: Gun Control

                    How does limiting the rights of honest gun owners do anything to prevent the violence of criminals?

                    We're not talking about beliefs or "my opinion."

                    Facts... Show us the facts.
                    73 DE W5SSJ

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                    • Darren King
                      copiertech

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                      • Jul 2007
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                      Re: Gun Control

                      Originally posted by Shadow1
                      How does limiting the rights of honest gun owners do anything to prevent the violence of criminals?

                      We're not talking about beliefs or "my opinion."

                      Facts... Show us the facts.
                      How does everyone having a gun reduce gun violence?

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                      • Shadow1
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                        Re: Gun Control

                        Originally posted by Darren King
                        How does everyone having a gun reduce gun violence?
                        Deterrence. The areas with the strictest gun laws also have the highest crime rates - look at Chicago. Areas that started issuing CCW permits saw a very notable reduction in home invasions and muggings, etc. - look at Florida about a dozen years ago.
                        73 DE W5SSJ

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                        • SalesServiceGuy
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                          • Iowatech
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                            Re: Gun Control

                            That's a shame, it really is, still that's what you get when society tries to prevent stupid people from experiencing any harm.

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                            • Shadow1
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                              Re: Gun Control

                              Originally posted by SalesServiceGuy
                              If all the homeowner had was a Louisville Slugger, then the teen would have died of blunt force trauma. The weapon is immaterial - the boy was clearly in a deranged state, entered someone else's home in a very suspicious manner, failed to respond to any warnings, and was headed toward the man's family. I agree the teen wasn't dangerous, just drunk and stupid, but he could easily have been hopped up on other drugs, and extremely dangerous - I would have defended my family as well.

                              I would call that a lesson in drug/alcohol abuse.

                              SalesServiceGuy, posting stuff like this, and not answering simple questions is losing you credibility by the second. Stick to something you know.
                              73 DE W5SSJ

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                              • fixthecopier
                                ALIEN OVERLORD

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                                • Apr 2008
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                                Re: Gun Control

                                Just some facts for your discussion... FactCheck.org : Gun Rhetoric vs. Gun Facts
                                The greatest enemy of knowledge isn't ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge. Stephen Hawking

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