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  • fixthecopier
    ALIEN OVERLORD

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    • Apr 2008
    • 4714

    Re: Gun Control

    Originally posted by HenryT2



    I agree completely.
    Let's quit giving billions and trillions of dollars to countries that don't want us in their backyards , and spend that money on OUR military and get it BACK to the awesome power it used to be, and let's protect OUR COUNTRY !

    So how much more do we need to spend? How insecure are you?




    The U.S. spent more on defense in 2011 than did the countries with the next 13 highest defense budgets combined




    April 12, 2012

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    SOURCE: Data from Stockholm International Peace Research Institute, SIPRI Military Expenditure Database. Compiled by PGPF.


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    The greatest enemy of knowledge isn't ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge. Stephen Hawking

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    • Tonerbomb
      AutoMajical Resolutionist

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      • Feb 2005
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      Re: Gun Control

      this may help your insecurities

      SRM 1216 12 Gauge Semi-Automatic Fighting Shotgun
      Mystic Crystal Revelations

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      • Jimbo1
        Senior Tech

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        • Mar 2008
        • 845

        Re: Gun Control

        Originally posted by Tonerbomb

        I would imagine so. Looks like a fun little item.
        "Some days you get the bear, some days the bear gets you."

        Cdr. William Riker

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        • SalesServiceGuy
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          • Dec 2009
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          Re: Gun Control

          I watched the video and the SRM 1216 is a truly terrifying assault weapon designed to put a lot of ammo down range quickly, very capable of mass human carnage. This gun is a weapon well suited for war or mayhem.

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          • Jimbo1
            Senior Tech

            500+ Posts
            • Mar 2008
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            Re: Gun Control

            Originally posted by SalesServiceGuy
            I watched the video and the SRM 1216 is a truly terrifying assault weapon designed to put a lot of ammo down range quickly, very capable of mass human carnage. This gun is a weapon well suited for war or mayhem.
            You fear it because you have been taught that it's the machine and not the man that's the problem.
            "Some days you get the bear, some days the bear gets you."

            Cdr. William Riker

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            • Jimbo1
              Senior Tech

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              • Mar 2008
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              Re: Gun Control

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              "Some days you get the bear, some days the bear gets you."

              Cdr. William Riker

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              • SalesServiceGuy
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                • Dec 2009
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                Re: Gun Control

                I think anybody should fear a person with that gun in public. It is a weapon of war sold at retail. The video shows how in less than one minute you can fire 16 shot gun blasts into a human paper target.

                I have read that gun manufactures design such weapons to entince white males who already own 20+ firearms to buy yet another one.
                Last edited by SalesServiceGuy; 03-31-2013, 03:11 AM.

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                • SalesServiceGuy
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                  • Dec 2009
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                  Re: Gun Control

                  Here is the link to the group that claims guns prevent 2,191 gun crimes per day in the USA.

                  - Citizens Committee For The Right To Keep And Bear Arms

                  I could not find on the website how they arrived at this number. The website does not describe its membership numbers.

                  The Bloomberg truck does describe easily available fact. 12,000/365 = 33.

                  ... and by the way, I finally found where Yoko Ono got her 1,057,000 Americans killed with guns in the USA since 1980. It is a combination of the homicides with firearms and suicides with firearms (30.5k per year).



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                  Last edited by SalesServiceGuy; 03-31-2013, 03:16 AM.

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                  • SalesServiceGuy
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                    Re: Gun Control

                    How Often Do We Use Guns in Self-Defense?


                    How Often Do We Use Guns in Self-Defense? - Businessweek

                    So how often do Americans use guns to defend themselves? If it almost never happens, then the NRA argument is based on a fallacy and deserves little respect in the fashioning of public policy. If, on the other hand, defensive gun use (DGU) is relatively common, then even a diehard gun-control advocate with any principles and common sense would admit that this fact must be given some weight.

                    Criminologists concur that the unusual prevalence of guns in America—some 300 million in private hands—makes our violent crime more lethal than that of other countries. (See, for example, the excellent When Brute Force Fails, by UCLA’s Mark Kleiman.) That’s the cost of allowing widespread civilian gun ownership: In this country, when someone is inclined to commit a mugging, shoot up a movie theater, or kill their spouse (or themselves), firearms are readily available.


                    One reason the gun debate seems so radioactive is that gun-control proponents refer almost exclusively to the cost of widespread gun ownership, while the NRA and its allies focus on guns as instruments and symbols of self-reliance. Very few, if any, participants in the conflict acknowledge that guns are both bad and good, depending on how they’re used. Robbers use them to stick up convenience stores, and convenience store owners use them to stop armed robbers.


                    As with everything else concerning guns in this country, the DGU question prompts divergent answers. At one end of the spectrum, the NRA cites research by Gary Kleck, an accomplished criminologist at Florida State University. Based on self-reporting by survey respondents, Kleck has extrapolated that DGU occurs more than 2 million times a year. Kleck doesn’t suggest that gun owners shoot potential antagonists that often. DGU covers various scenarios, including merely brandishing a weapon and scaring off an aggressor.


                    At the other end of the spectrum, gun skeptics prefer to cite the work of David Hemenway, an eminent public-health scholar at Harvard University. Hemenway, who analogizes gun violence to an epidemic and guns to the contagion, argues that Kleck’s research significantly overestimates the frequency of DGU.


                    The carping back and forth gets pretty technical, but the brief version is that Hemenway believes Kleck includes too many “false positives”: respondents who claim they’ve chased off burglars or rapists with guns but probably are boasting or, worse, categorizing unlawful aggressive conduct as legitimate DGU. Hemenway finds more reliable an annual federal government research project, called the National Crime Victimization Survey, which yields estimates in the neighborhood of 100,000 defensive gun uses per year. Making various reasonable-sounding adjustments, other social scientists have suggested that perhaps a figure somewhere between 250,000 and 370,000 might be more accurate.


                    What’s the upshot?


                    1. We don’t know exactly how frequently defensive gun use occurs.
                    2. A conservative estimate of the order of magnitude is tens of thousands of times a year; 100,000 is not a wild gun-nut fantasy.
                    3. Many gun owners (I am not one, but I know plenty) focus not on statistical probabilities, but on a worst-case scenario: They’re in trouble, and they want a fighting chance.
                    4. DGU does not answer any questions in this debate, but it’s a factor that deserves attention.

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                    • Shadow1
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                      • Sep 2008
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                      Re: Gun Control

                      Originally posted by SalesServiceGuy
                      Here is the link to the group that claims guns prevent 2,191 gun crimes per day in the USA.

                      - Citizens Committee For The Right To Keep And Bear Arms

                      I could not find on the website how they arrived at this number. The website does not describe its membership numbers.

                      The Bloomberg truck does describe easily available fact. 12,000/365 = 33.
                      You can bet that 2191 is an underreported number - Just because a citizen used his CCW to defend against a crime does not mean it was reported - so long as no shots were fired many people consider it more of a hassle to file a report with the police and then have to defend their decision to unholster a firearm.

                      On the other hand, how many murders / missing persons go unreported???

                      Originally posted by SalesServiceGuy
                      ... and by the way, I finally found where Yoko Ono got her 1,057,000 Americans killed with guns in the USA since 1980. It is a combination of the homicides with firearms and suicides with firearms (30.5k per year).
                      Pretty blatant use of creative math and statistics. A person serious about suicide will find a way to off themselves regardless. A gun may just be the most convenient for them.
                      73 DE W5SSJ

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                      • Iowatech
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                        • Dec 2009
                        • 3933

                        Re: Gun Control

                        Originally posted by SalesServiceGuy
                        I think anybody should fear a person with that gun in public. It is a weapon of war sold at retail. The video shows how in less than one minute you can fire 16 shot gun blasts into a human paper target.

                        I have read that gun manufactures design such weapons to entince white males who already own 20+ firearms to buy yet another one.
                        Your silverware is based on weapons of war, and they are designed to entice people who like to eat to buy many of them. So by your own reasoning you should fear your own cutlery drawer, unless all your cutlery is in a safe and equipped with sheath locks.
                        Also, your idea here is silly. Thanks for the laugh.

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                        • SalesServiceGuy
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                          Re: Gun Control

                          "Your silverware is based upon weapons of war", what is that suppose to mean? I am sure the US Marines do not equip their soldiers with silverware to cause harm to the enemy. I am confident they would reach for the SRM 1216 first.

                          If by chance you are referring to cutlery and therefore knives, not many people in the USA are rapidly killed in mass murders or at a distance by knives compared to firearms.

                          Skilled gun designers get paid at least $100k per year. They are in high demand to create new weapons that will entice people who have many guns to buy yet another one. Until the Newton massacre gun sales were actually beginning to fall due to a shrinking customer base especially as people moved from a rural to urban settings. The firearms industry was compelled to create new designs to find new buyers and maintain sales.
                          Last edited by SalesServiceGuy; 04-01-2013, 01:24 AM.

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                          • Shadow1
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                            Re: Gun Control

                            Originally posted by SalesServiceGuy
                            "Your silverware is based upon weapons of war", what is that suppose to mean? I am sure the US Marines do not equip their soldiers with silverware to cause harm to the enemy. I am confident they would reach for the SRM 1216 first.

                            If by chance you are referring to cutlery and therefore knives, not many people in the USA are rapidly killed in mass murders or at a distance by knives compared to firearms.

                            Skilled gun designers get paid at least $100k per year. They are in high demand to create new weapons that will entice people who have many guns to buy yet another one. Until the Newton massacre gun sales were actually beginning to fall due to a shrinking customer base especially as people moved from a rural to urban settings. The firearms industry was compelled to create new designs to find new buyers and maintain sales.
                            Hmmm... How do I describe that post??? So many words to chose from. I think I'm going with: Drivel
                            73 DE W5SSJ

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                            • Darren King
                              copiertech

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                              • Jul 2007
                              • 652

                              Re: Gun Control

                              Originally posted by Iowatech
                              Your silverware is based on weapons of war, and they are designed to entice people who like to eat to buy many of them. So by your own reasoning you should fear your own cutlery drawer, unless all your cutlery is in a safe and equipped with sheath locks.
                              Also, your idea here is silly. Thanks for the laugh.
                              It's funny how gun people always say "well if he didn't have a gun he would have used a.....(whatever is handy)"
                              The thing is though, that person didn't use a........(whatever is handy), he used a gun.
                              Sure, people will kill other people, but how many kids are killed each year by a stray butter knife in a drive by butter knife throwing?
                              Or how many kids pull out their dad's "unloaded" butter knife and accidentally stab themselves to death?
                              Butter knives don't kill people, people kill people.

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                              • tech07
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                                • Aug 2008
                                • 409

                                Re: Gun Control

                                I am a gun owner and also liscensed to carry a concealed weapon by my state, which I do. I hope and pray I will NEVER have to use it. But if I had been at Sandy Hook School or the theater in Colorado, the shooters wouldn't have gotten off but a few rounds and alot of people would still be alive.

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