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  • SalesServiceGuy
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    • Dec 2009
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    #331
    Re: Gun Control

    Guns and suicide: One mother's heartbreaking tale



    "(CNN) -- I am a mother of three, and my views on guns have evolved significantly over the course of my lifetime. My husband hunts and believes strongly in his right to bear arms. But when my 25-year-old son, Peter, shot himself in a moment of despair in April 2012, I came full circle to a harsh reality: There are almost twice as many suicides as murders by firearm across America, roughly 19,000 of the 30,000 gun deaths each year. Yet we disproportionately fear and almost exclusively talk of criminals in the national gun debate.

    Reliable studies showed that a gun was more likely to be used against a member of his own household than on anyone else. He expressed surprise at this information. Having said my piece, I dismissed my fears, satisfied that "forewarned is forearmed."

    I have studied much of the research related to suicide and firearms. It's a myth that without a gun handy, people bent on killing themselves will just find another way. For many, the suicidal crisis is temporary, and 90% of those who survive an attempt do not go on to die by suicide. Any obstacle or delay can break the self-destructive trance. Guns are extremely lethal as a means of suicide. Very few survive a self-inflicted gunshot wound to get a second chance at life.

    My hope is that people will recognize the very real threat of suicide, know that it is preventable, and act to keep guns out of reach. If you suspect that anyone in your family might be suffering from depression or suicidal thoughts, please get the gun out of the house or change the combination or the key before it's too late."

    Dorothy Paugh wrote this essay in response to this argument for gun ownership. Paugh lost her father to suicide by gun 50 years ago, and one year ago, she lost her son in the same way.

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    • Iowatech
      Not a service manager

      2,500+ Posts
      • Dec 2009
      • 3930

      #332
      Re: Gun Control

      Originally posted by HenryT2
      I could do that .....

      An adult that owns a weapon ( what ever it may be; a firearm, a slingshot, a sword or dirk, a wooden mallet, etc. ) that keeps it where someone not trained in using said weapon in a responsible manner, should not really have these weapons.
      In other words ... NOT SECURED !

      A RESPONSIBLE ADULT WILL KEEP THEIR WEAPONS LOCKED AWAY FROM CHILDREN ...

      The story just says ' a family member ' it did not say it was his father ... " the gun used was owned by a family member of Nichols ..... Public Safety Director Thomas Coombs said at a press conference that it was legally registered but not properly secured. "
      With all due respect, that might not be entirely correct. A responsible adult will will teach children how to handle and use firearms in a safe and responsible manner. Only people other than that who are decent and safety mined will try to keep their firearms out of the reach of children.
      If that's nonsense, sorry about that.

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      • HenryT2
        Senior Tech

        500+ Posts
        • Apr 2010
        • 962

        #333
        Re: Gun Control

        Originally posted by HenryT2
        An adult that owns a weapon ( what ever it may be; a firearm, a slingshot, a sword or dirk, a wooden mallet, etc. ) that keeps it where someone not trained in using said weapon in a responsible manner, should not really have these weapons.
        In other words ... NOT SECURED !

        A RESPONSIBLE ADULT WILL KEEP THEIR WEAPONS LOCKED AWAY FROM CHILDREN ...

        Originally posted by Iowatech
        With all due respect, that might not be entirely correct. A responsible adult will teach children how to handle and use firearms in a safe and responsible manner. Only people other than that who are decent and safety mined will try to keep their firearms out of the reach of children.
        If that's nonsense, sorry about that.
        Yes ... a responsible adult WILL teach a child the correct way to handle any weapon . My 7 year old grandson has been taught proper use of and has access to his weapons , IF , he is out hunting , or target practice , with his Mother , Father , or me . (He did get his first buck this past deer season.) But ; if he is not hunting or at target practice , the weapon is secured in one of the vaults .

        Accidents can and do happen ( even to trained individuals ) ; therefore , cut the risk factor down as far as you can.
        examples are :
        If the weapon is NOT loaded , it cannot fire a projectile ....
        If the pen has no ink , it cannot mis-spell a word ....
        "The Serenity Prayer" . . .
        God grant me the serenity to accept stupid people , the courage to not waste my time and energy on them , and the wisdom to know that I cannot fix STUPID .

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        • glewisme
          Trusted Tech

          100+ Posts
          • Nov 2009
          • 240

          #334
          Re: Gun Control

          Over 2000 People died on 9/11 as a direct result of BOX CUTTERS !!!! Let's ban those! Let's not forget Oklahoma City. We must ban fertilizer too!!!!!!!! People will kill people regardless. Hell any moron can drive a speeding car down a busy sidewalk and kill dozens. The Columbine shootings were done using post ban magazines ! Assault weapons commit less than 3% of all gun crimes.!!!! IT'S ALL ABOUT CONTROL ! Control the citizens. Don't you think the government has stolen enough of our freedoms ?

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          • SalesServiceGuy
            Field Supervisor

            Site Contributor
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            • Dec 2009
            • 8168

            #335
            Re: Gun Control

            Originally posted by glewisme
            Over 2000 People died on 9/11 as a direct result of BOX CUTTERS !!!! Let's ban those! Let's not forget Oklahoma City. We must ban fertilizer too!!!!!!!! People will kill people regardless. Hell any moron can drive a speeding car down a busy sidewalk and kill dozens. The Columbine shootings were done using post ban magazines ! Assault weapons commit less than 3% of all gun crimes.!!!! IT'S ALL ABOUT CONTROL ! Control the citizens. Don't you think the government has stolen enough of our freedoms ?
            compared to Canada, not at all!

            The 2A was never about empowering its citizens with tremendous firepower for largely purposes of personal entertainment or paranoia. Unfortunately, the NRA has been very successful at twisting the 2A original intent by appealing to those who misguidely believe the Federal gov't is somehow plotting to completely disarm them.

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            • Shadow
              PHD in Sh!t Disturbing

              250+ Posts
              • Sep 2011
              • 455

              #336
              Re: Gun Control

              SalesServiceGuy,

              You live in Canada, on the East Coast, where we have very reasonable restrictive gun laws.
              All legal firearms owners are registered and abide by the laws of the land.
              As I stated before, I am a law abiding firearms owner who follows the rules and regulations set forth by our governing body.
              As an owner of restricted firearms, hand guns, I comply with and support the laws governing these.
              No matter how difficult it may be for some people in society to acquire a firearm, they will find a way if they really want it.

              My one question to you is this;

              What are you afraid of, if your neighbor owns a firearm and abides by the laws set forth?

              by the way, you have the single most posts in this thread.
              $hit Happens - Deal with it and move on.....................................sigpic....................................Lock & Load

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              • Tonerbomb
                AutoMajical Resolutionist

                Site Contributor
                2,500+ Posts
                • Feb 2005
                • 2589

                #337
                Re: Gun Control

                Originally posted by SalesServiceGuy
                compared to Canada, not at all!

                The 2A was never about empowering its citizens with tremendous firepower for largely purposes of personal entertainment or paranoia. Unfortunately, the NRA has been very successful at twisting the 2A original intent by appealing to those who misguidely believe the Federal gov't is somehow plotting to completely disarm them.
                Really??? Stay north of the boarder please, This current administration wants exactly this......................
                Mystic Crystal Revelations

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                • Tonerbomb
                  AutoMajical Resolutionist

                  Site Contributor
                  2,500+ Posts
                  • Feb 2005
                  • 2589

                  #338
                  Re: Gun Control

                  LIST OF SENATORS WHO RECENTLY VOTED TO TAKE YOUR GUN AWAY!


                  Over the weekend, we came four votes away from the United States Senate giving our Constitutional rights over to the United Nations. In a 53-46 vote, the Senate narrowly passed a measure that will stop the United States from entering into the United Nations Arms Trade Treaty.
                  The Statement of Purpose from the bill read:
                  To uphold Second Amendment rights and prevent the United States from entering into the United Nations Arms Trade Treaty.
                  The U.N. Small Arms Treaty, which has been championed by the Obama Administration, would have effectively placed a global ban on the import and export of small firearms. The ban would have affected all private gun owners in the U.S., and had language that would have implemented an international gun registry on all private guns and ammo.
                  Astonishingly, 46 of our United States Senators were willing to give away our Constitutional rights to a foreign power.
                  Here are the 46 senators that voted to give your rights to the U.N.
                  Baldwin
                  (D-WI)
                  Baucus (D-MT)
                  Bennet (D-CO)
                  Blumenthal (D-CT)
                  Boxer
                  (D-CA)
                  Brown (D-OH)
                  Cantwell (D-WA)
                  Cardin (D-MD)
                  Carper
                  (D-DE)
                  Casey (D-PA)
                  Coons (D-DE)
                  Cowan (D-MA)
                  Durbin
                  (D-IL)
                  Feinstein (D-CA)
                  Franken (D-MN)
                  Gillibrand (D-NY)
                  Harkin (D-IA)
                  Hirono
                  (D-HI)
                  Johnson (D-SD)
                  Kaine (D-VA)
                  King (I-ME)
                  Klobuchar
                  (D-MN)
                  Landrieu (D-LA)
                  Leahy (D-VT)
                  Levin (D-MI)
                  McCaskill
                  (D-MO)
                  Menendez (D-NJ)
                  Merkley (D-OR)
                  Mikulski (D-MD)
                  Murphy
                  (D-CT)
                  Murray (D-WA)
                  Nelson (D-FL)
                  Reed (D-RI)
                  Reid
                  (D-NV)
                  Rockefeller (D-WV)
                  Sanders (I-VT)
                  Schatz
                  (D-HI)
                  Schumer (D-NY)
                  Shaheen (D-NH)
                  Stabenow (D-MI)
                  Udall
                  (D-CO)
                  Udall (D-NM)
                  Warner (D-VA)
                  Warren (D-MA)
                  Whitehouse
                  (D-RI)
                  Wyden (D-OR)

                  People, this needs to go viral. These Senators voted to let the UN take our guns. They need to lose the election. We have been betrayed.
                  46 Senators Voted to Give your 2nd Amendment Constitutional Rights to the U.N.

                  =
                  Mystic Crystal Revelations

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                  • Iowatech
                    Not a service manager

                    2,500+ Posts
                    • Dec 2009
                    • 3930

                    #339
                    Re: Gun Control

                    Originally posted by SalesServiceGuy
                    compared to Canada, not at all!

                    The 2A was never about empowering its citizens with tremendous firepower for largely purposes of personal entertainment or paranoia. Unfortunately, the NRA has been very successful at twisting the 2A original intent by appealing to those who misguidely believe the Federal gov't is somehow plotting to completely disarm them.
                    What an odd statement. Oh, well. For what it is worth, here's a link that shows why tin foil helmets don't really work:

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                    • DWise
                      Senior Tech

                      500+ Posts
                      • Apr 2010
                      • 895

                      #340
                      Re: Gun Control

                      Originally posted by Tonerbomb
                      Here are the 46 senators that voted to give your rights to the U.N.
                      Baldwin
                      (D-WI)
                      Baucus (D-MT)
                      Bennet (D-CO)
                      Blumenthal (D-CT)
                      Boxer
                      (D-CA)
                      Brown (D-OH)
                      Cantwell (D-WA)
                      Cardin (D-MD)
                      Carper
                      (D-DE)
                      Casey (D-PA)
                      Coons (D-DE)
                      Cowan (D-MA)
                      Durbin
                      (D-IL)
                      Feinstein (D-CA)
                      Franken (D-MN)
                      Gillibrand (D-NY)
                      Harkin (D-IA)
                      Hirono
                      (D-HI)
                      Johnson (D-SD)
                      Kaine (D-VA)
                      King (I-ME)
                      Klobuchar
                      (D-MN)
                      Landrieu (D-LA)
                      Leahy (D-VT)
                      Levin (D-MI)
                      McCaskill
                      (D-MO)
                      Menendez (D-NJ)
                      Merkley (D-OR)
                      Mikulski (D-MD)
                      Murphy
                      (D-CT)
                      Murray (D-WA)
                      Nelson (D-FL)
                      Reed (D-RI)
                      Reid
                      (D-NV)
                      Rockefeller (D-WV)
                      Sanders (I-VT)
                      Schatz
                      (D-HI)
                      Schumer (D-NY)
                      Shaheen (D-NH)
                      Stabenow (D-MI)
                      Udall
                      (D-CO)
                      Udall (D-NM)
                      Warner (D-VA)
                      Warren (D-MA)
                      Whitehouse
                      (D-RI)
                      Wyden (D-OR)

                      People, this needs to go viral. These Senators voted to let the UN take our guns. They need to lose the election. We have been betrayed.
                      46 Senators Voted to Give your 2nd Amendment Constitutional Rights to the U.N.

                      =
                      Sure are a lot of "D's" by those names...
                      Do for one what you wished you could do for everyone. - Andy Stanley

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                      • HenryT2
                        Senior Tech

                        500+ Posts
                        • Apr 2010
                        • 962

                        #341
                        Re: Gun Control

                        Originally posted by DWise
                        Sure are a lot of "D's" by those names...
                        gun control.jpg
                        "The Serenity Prayer" . . .
                        God grant me the serenity to accept stupid people , the courage to not waste my time and energy on them , and the wisdom to know that I cannot fix STUPID .

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                        • HenryT2
                          Senior Tech

                          500+ Posts
                          • Apr 2010
                          • 962

                          #342
                          Re: Gun Control

                          Hi-Cap clip.jpg
                          "The Serenity Prayer" . . .
                          God grant me the serenity to accept stupid people , the courage to not waste my time and energy on them , and the wisdom to know that I cannot fix STUPID .

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                          • Darren King
                            copiertech

                            500+ Posts
                            • Jul 2007
                            • 652

                            #343
                            Re: Gun Control

                            Originally posted by Tonerbomb
                            LIST OF SENATORS WHO RECENTLY VOTED TO TAKE YOUR GUN AWAY!


                            Over the weekend, we came four votes away from the United States Senate giving our Constitutional rights over to the United Nations. In a 53-46 vote, the Senate narrowly passed a measure that will stop the United States from entering into the United Nations Arms Trade Treaty.
                            The Statement of Purpose from the bill read:
                            To uphold Second Amendment rights and prevent the United States from entering into the United Nations Arms Trade Treaty.
                            The U.N. Small Arms Treaty, which has been championed by the Obama Administration, would have effectively placed a global ban on the import and export of small firearms. The ban would have affected all private gun owners in the U.S., and had language that would have implemented an international gun registry on all private guns and ammo.
                            Astonishingly, 46 of our United States Senators were willing to give away our Constitutional rights to a foreign power.
                            Here are the 46 senators that voted to give your rights to the U.N.
                            Baldwin
                            (D-WI)
                            Baucus (D-MT)
                            Bennet (D-CO)
                            Blumenthal (D-CT)
                            Boxer
                            (D-CA)
                            Brown (D-OH)
                            Cantwell (D-WA)
                            Cardin (D-MD)
                            Carper
                            (D-DE)
                            Casey (D-PA)
                            Coons (D-DE)
                            Cowan (D-MA)
                            Durbin
                            (D-IL)
                            Feinstein (D-CA)
                            Franken (D-MN)
                            Gillibrand (D-NY)
                            Harkin (D-IA)
                            Hirono
                            (D-HI)
                            Johnson (D-SD)
                            Kaine (D-VA)
                            King (I-ME)
                            Klobuchar
                            (D-MN)
                            Landrieu (D-LA)
                            Leahy (D-VT)
                            Levin (D-MI)
                            McCaskill
                            (D-MO)
                            Menendez (D-NJ)
                            Merkley (D-OR)
                            Mikulski (D-MD)
                            Murphy
                            (D-CT)
                            Murray (D-WA)
                            Nelson (D-FL)
                            Reed (D-RI)
                            Reid
                            (D-NV)
                            Rockefeller (D-WV)
                            Sanders (I-VT)
                            Schatz
                            (D-HI)
                            Schumer (D-NY)
                            Shaheen (D-NH)
                            Stabenow (D-MI)
                            Udall
                            (D-CO)
                            Udall (D-NM)
                            Warner (D-VA)
                            Warren (D-MA)
                            Whitehouse
                            (D-RI)
                            Wyden (D-OR)

                            People, this needs to go viral. These Senators voted to let the UN take our guns. They need to lose the election. We have been betrayed.
                            46 Senators Voted to Give your 2nd Amendment Constitutional Rights to the U.N.

                            =
                            "According to the UN Office for Disarmament Affairs, the treaty will not do any of the following: interfere with domestic arms commerce or the right to bear arms in Member States; ban the export of any type of weapon; harm States' legitimate right to self-defence; or undermine national arms regulation standards already in place."
                            Nothing like a little fear mongering. Are you with the NRA by any chance?

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                            • tech07
                              Trusted Tech

                              250+ Posts
                              • Aug 2008
                              • 409

                              #344
                              Re: Gun Control

                              I was into this thread for awhile and really enjoyed it. However, I am now weary of it. It could be debated forever. I believe every post on this topic has some valid points. I am a middle aged male with 2 grown children, 6 grandchildren, a true American patiot, a law abiding citizen, a christian and a pretty darn good tech for 25 years. I will be stopping by the sheriff's office tomorrow to pick up my concealed weapon carry permit renewal card...... Bummer, I've got 8 service calls on my list..

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                              • SalesServiceGuy
                                Field Supervisor

                                Site Contributor
                                5,000+ Posts
                                • Dec 2009
                                • 8168

                                #345
                                Re: Gun Control

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