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  • SalesServiceGuy
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    #346
    Re: Gun Control

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    • SalesServiceGuy
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      • SalesServiceGuy
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        • Tonerbomb
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          #349
          Re: Gun Control

          Originally posted by Darren King
          "According to the UN Office for Disarmament Affairs, the treaty will not do any of the following: interfere with domestic arms commerce or the right to bear arms in Member States; ban the export of any type of weapon; harm States' legitimate right to self-defence; or undermine national arms regulation standards already in place."
          Nothing like a little fear mongering. Are you with the NRA by any chance?
          No I'm not a card carrying member of the NRA( might be after the next gun show) However why would anyone believe the UN????? or the current Administration????
          Mystic Crystal Revelations

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          • Iowatech
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            #350
            Re: Gun Control

            Originally posted by SalesServiceGuy
            Perhaps Chicago and Illinois may not be the greatest examples. That is not the point. Should guns and ammo be taxed just like alcohol and cigarettes to raise funds for municipal services?
            No, that actually is the point. If the gun laws on the books right now were properly enforced, a lot of the current nonsense would be eliminated.

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            • SalesServiceGuy
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              Re: Gun Control

              Originally posted by Iowatech
              No, that actually is the point. If the gun laws on the books right now were properly enforced, a lot of the current nonsense would be eliminated.
              The question is should guns and ammo be subjected to a SIN tax like alcohol and tobacco? Guns and ammo are equally as deadly as alcohol/tobacco in the USA and require substantial amounts of Federal, State and Municipal budgets to manage.

              The answer is, in the current political climate, this is very unlikely to happen.

              The next answer is as more and more Federal, State and Municipal budgets spiral out of control, expect the question to rebound sometime this year as politicians begin to rationalize that guns owners (legal/ illegal) need to pay their fair share of the costs of gun ownership.
              Last edited by SalesServiceGuy; 04-17-2013, 11:22 PM.

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              • SalesServiceGuy
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                #352
                Re: Gun Control

                Senate rejects expanded gun background checks



                Washington (CNN) -- In a major defeat for supporters of tougher gun laws, the U.S. Senate on Wednesday defeated a compromise proposal to expand background checks on firearms sales.

                The overall gun legislation includes tougher laws on gun trafficking and straw purchases, and steps to devise ways to improve safety in schools ... "at this moment, I am unsure if these three pieces of legislation has been voted on."

                The NRA promised political retribution against supporters of tougher gun laws. The NRA has said an expanded background check system would be the first step toward a national gun registry and therefore a violation of the constitutional right to bear arms " .. total bullshit".

                Polls show that a strong majority of Americans support some type of initiative to stem gun violence. In a CNN/ORC International poll released last week, 86% of Americans say they support expanded background checks.

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                • SalesServiceGuy
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                  #353
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                  How many Americans have been killed by gunfire since Newton ... 3,486.

                  Gun-death tally: Every American gun death since Newtown Sandy Hook shooting (INTERACTIVE). - Slate Magazine

                  Treyvon Jermaine Burton
                  Killed in Concord, NC
                  Shot on 4/17/2013
                  Age: 19

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                  • SalesServiceGuy
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                    #354
                    Re: Gun Control

                    Originally posted by Shadow
                    SalesServiceGuy,

                    You live in Canada, on the East Coast, where we have very reasonable restrictive gun laws.
                    All legal firearms owners are registered and abide by the laws of the land.
                    As I stated before, I am a law abiding firearms owner who follows the rules and regulations set forth by our governing body.
                    As an owner of restricted firearms, hand guns, I comply with and support the laws governing these.
                    No matter how difficult it may be for some people in society to acquire a firearm, they will find a way if they really want it.

                    My one question to you is this;

                    What are you afraid of, if your neighbor owns a firearm and abides by the laws set forth?

                    by the way, you have the single most posts in this thread.
                    It takes a lot of daily research and posts to stay current with gun control or lack thereof in the USA. In the end, I feel the US is f...ed over the issue of gun control. There is too much money, politics, power brokering, lobbying and public opinion to change things much. I can only hope that no one on this thread is ever touched by any of the 33,000 Americans per year who needlessly lose their life at the end of a gun barrel.

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                    • Darren King
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                      #355
                      Re: Gun Control

                      Originally posted by Tonerbomb
                      No I'm not a card carrying member of the NRA( might be after the next gun show) However why would anyone believe the UN????? or the current Administration????
                      Has the UN done anything to you that would make you not believe them?
                      I won't ask you about politicians. They are all professional liars. No matter which side of the fence they are on.
                      Politicians and weathermen, two of the only professions where you don't have to tell the truth and you can still keep your job. And I put more trust in weathermen. lol

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                      • MR Bill
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                        #356
                        Re: Gun Control

                        Saleserviceguy , OK , we get your point. You don't like guns and you don't like Americans. Got it. Now are you going to keep posting one story after another. Why don't you post some positive story about guns. I hear them every day. Just the other day a 63 year old lady woke up and someone had broke into her home. She armed herself and fire a warning shot. The guy sat down in a chair and didn't make a move. Might have peed his pants even? The cops showed up and took him off to jail. Good ending wasn't it. If she didn't have a gun she might have been dead. You really don't care about that do you?

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                        • MR Bill
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                          #357
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                          Ever hear about the Robinson, Pitman act?? Passes in the 1930's ? Taxes all gun and amo sales. Most of the taxes go to restore wet lands and other conservation items. So on top of this tax and sales taxes etc you want a sin tax? Never met a liberal who didn't like a tax. Might as well tax my whole paycheck 100%. One more thing. We need to outlaw bombs. Boston marathon bombing would never have happened then.

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                          • SalesServiceGuy
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                            Originally posted by MR Bill
                            Saleserviceguy , OK , we get your point. You don't like guns and you don't like Americans. Got it. Now are you going to keep posting one story after another. Why don't you post some positive story about guns. I hear them every day. Just the other day a 63 year old lady woke up and someone had broke into her home. She armed herself and fire a warning shot. The guy sat down in a chair and didn't make a move. Might have peed his pants even? The cops showed up and took him off to jail. Good ending wasn't it. If she didn't have a gun she might have been dead. You really don't care about that do you?
                            I like American and guns but I prefer guns in a much more controlled environment. I am glad that it worked out for that old lady but statistics prove a family member is more likely to be a victim of firearms than an assailant.

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                            • MR Bill
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                              #359
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                              Stats prove family member are likly to be victims more that others? . That's where you are wrong saleserviceguy. The story i just told you about the 63 year old lady does not go down as a gun shooting or killing or anything like that. No one was hurt. BUT this happens all the time. Anyway, I just assume you don't like guns or American and I should not do that. But I am getting a little worn out with this subject. You are not going to convince most of us here to turn in our firearms .

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                              • SalesServiceGuy
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                                #360
                                Re: Gun Control

                                Originally posted by MR Bill
                                Ever hear about the Robinson, Pitman act?? Passes in the 1930's ? Taxes all gun and amo sales. Most of the taxes go to restore wet lands and other conservation items. So on top of this tax and sales taxes etc you want a sin tax? Never met a liberal who didn't like a tax. Might as well tax my whole paycheck 100%. One more thing. We need to outlaw bombs. Boston marathon bombing would never have happened then.
                                No, I have not heard of the Robinson Pittman Act of 1937. I expect many people have not. It has not come up in any media reporting that I have read until your post of today. Thanks!

                                The Pittman–Robertson Act took over a pre-existing 11% excise tax on firearms and ammunition It appears to be a federal excise tax still levied by the Secretary of the Interior to distribute to the States based on a formula that takes into account both the area of the state and its number of licensed hunters.[2][3][6][9][10]

                                In the 1970s, amendments created a 10% tax on handguns and their ammunition and accessories as well as an 11% tax on archery equipment.[1][2][3][8][10] It was also mandated that half of the money from each of those new taxes must be used to educate and train hunters through the creation and maintenance of hunter safety classes and shooting/target ranges.

                                According to a U.S. Fish and Wildlife Services webpage that was updated in January 2010, over two billion dollars of federal aid has been generated through this program, which in turn means that states have kept up their 25% contributions with over 500 million dollars.

                                ... I do not think this Act will financially help municipal gov'ts too much. It does not take into account the probable majority of Americans who who purchase guns and ammo and who are not licensed hunters.

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